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  •  conspiracy theories are so much easier than (7+ / 0-)

    reflection and critical assessment, aren't they?

    Perhaps a better question is WHY are poll numbers dropping and what can be done to improve this, rather than

    what evil puppeteer is manipulating the marionette strings of an otherwise generally reliable pollster?

    •  Olbermann (3+ / 0-)
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      has it right in his latest comment, that the cops moving in will do more to raise awareness of the issue than anything else.

      What he misses is that he's aware of things that most people aren't, because most people get their news from biased sources.

      Smartest things Bloomberg did were the media blackout, and going in at night.  I think he probably learned from previous protests (Civil Rights, Vietnam) that the imagery is the message.  Get rid of the imagery, and you can control the message.

      You don't have to directly manipulate poll numbers when you can directly manipulate people.

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      by Marc in KS on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 10:23:20 AM PST

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      •  Actually, I think this poll establishes (4+ / 0-)

        that the cops moving in is doing quite a bit more than raising awareness of the issues..it's driving down public approval of the movment.

        Keep on protesting, yes! But keep it legal. There are plenty of opportunities to do just that.

        •  My friends here (1+ / 0-)
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          in flyover country look at the protests and see young hipsters, for the most part, and perceive them as being spoiled and looking for a handout, and they just say "get a job!"  (Never mind that there's like 1 job for every 7 unemployed people....)

          It would be interesting to look deeper into that poll's demographics.  If this sample had a disproportionate number of people with jobs in it, I can see why it might show a decrease in support for the OWS movement.

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          by Marc in KS on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 10:37:57 AM PST

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          •  Did they poll a different cross section (5+ / 0-)

            of America previously, when support for OWS was higher? I don't think so.

            Civil disobedience should be targeted toward specific laws that are unjust. Disobeying existing ordinances that govern use of public spaces isn't targeting the real issue of income inequality. It's just a distraction, and a distraction that is costing the movement in public approval.

            Stage a peaceful, legal weekend march in every one of these cities every week  instead of trying to maintain a tent camp and watch how the movement grows instead of shrinks.

          •  Our Country's middle class is in a downward (0+ / 0-)

            spiral.  Give it time.  The People out in the streets are those that experienced enough pain to be outraged.  Because actual change is not taking place, more and more people will be joining the crowd.  People are confused and upset by everything that's happening.  It's perfectly natural to fear change on a large scale.  Even among those that would agree with all OWS has to say - there are many, many people who haven't felt the pain yet.  They will.  We see our elected 'representatives' creating even more pain in Congress and the "super committee", but this pain hasn't actually physically reached the populace yet.  When it does, and it will, those polls will change.

            #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

            by Evolutionary on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 11:52:07 AM PST

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            •  I love your idealism, but history in this country (1+ / 0-)
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              does not necessarily support it.

              When the Bonus Marchers were trampled on, where was the public? When Hoovervilles were destroyed, where was the public?

              They didn't get out in the streets to support these groups.

              When the Viet Nam Protesters were pushed back, where was the public? In this case, they voted in Nixon, not the anti war candidate.

              When OW becomes a real organization (which seems doubtful since it seems to be anti organization), then it may have some power - yes, Political power!

              In this country you don't change anything without voting on it...you do it by changing the laws.

              Martin Luther King knew that.

              Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

              by auapplemac on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 01:15:56 PM PST

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              •  All good points. If you go a little further back (0+ / 0-)

                in history, you can also see that citizens of any civilization that get stomped on hard enough - will always rise up against those doing the stomping.  Some uprisings are successful, others are not.  I think that the situation in America at this moment is similar to the 'Gilded Age', and it took a lot for Americans to win that battle (and years of work).  If things continue the way they are going right now, the situation will be worse than the Gilded Age.  Income disparity, and wealth disparity are in fact, higher now than they were before and during the Great Depression.
                I feel (just me) like things are so bad, for so many, that this is different somehow.  All the diaries, comments, and even arguments we have here won't stop an uprising if there is enough pain.  More pain is on the way.  

                #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

                by Evolutionary on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 01:25:15 PM PST

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        •  I was just arguing on Facebook (0+ / 0-)

          (yes, waste of time) with someone who likely represents many others.

          There is this assumption, rife with unearned privilege, that allows many people in this country to believe that police only attack when people have done something wrong.

          The police attacked.

          Therefore, Occupy must have done something wrong.

          Therefore, we cannot support Occupy.

      •  'Get rid of the imagery, and you can control the (1+ / 0-)
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        message.'

        Exactly.

        "The bottom line is, we've got to wake up. We can't allow our disappointment in Obama to lull us into allowing a truly dangerous strain of conservative philosophy to gain any more traction than it already has." --ObamOcala 4/5/11

        by smoothnmellow on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 10:37:01 AM PST

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