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    Occupy is over if we are not allowed to occupy physically.  The news will shift to another subject like Obama saying Hawaii is in Asia and the cause will be forgotten

    Occupy won't be over and the news WON'T shift to another subject with the 99%ers.  The main stream media may want to cover this up, change the subject but it is far too late for that to happen.  Frankly IMO this is the beginning of an even larger metamorphosis for Occupy.

    This is a moment in time for lack of a better phrase: to make lemonade out of lemons.  Occupy will simply have to become more creative in its protests, movements.  Perhaps moving about and being more nomadic can benefit us in the long run.

    The colonists here did not occupy when the tyranny of King George III rained down upon them, the peasants of the French Revolution did not occupy, the civil rights, Vietnam era marchers, protestors did not occupy and change came about...

    When everybody talkin' all at once no one can hear the wise one speak, So just be still and silence will provide the wisdom that you seek - by Tori del Allen

    by Dumas EagerSeton on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:48:33 PM PST

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    •  Tiananman Square protestors (13+ / 0-)

      did occupy. And if you don't consider storming of the Bastille to be an occupy tactic, then I don't understand your point at all. Admittedly the French revolution was not predicated on non-violence.

      Whether you can relate to the tactic or not, the most important thing about OWS is this: putting up a tent in a park can be considered political speech, and as such deserves to be protected. And at a bare minimum, people attempting to exercise such rights in a peaceful manner do not deserve to have riot tactics visited upon them.

      •  That's a very good point. Putting up a tent in a (2+ / 0-)
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        park IS now political speech.  It is because we SAY it is.  There's no specific definition that says it's not.  Since We are the People, we can make it so.

        #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

        by Evolutionary on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 07:06:54 PM PST

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      •  A better analogy is the Tennis Court Oath (3+ / 0-)
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        The taking of the Bastille was an armed attack, which is why it is a storming; the stormers were city folks; plenty of the defenders died, including the governor of the prison, who was beheaded and his head paraded around Paris on a spike.

        So, if you are looking for a French Revolution analogy, try  the dissolution of the Assemby of the Etats-Generaux by the King, 1/3 of whom were the Third Estate or the 99%:

        Mirabeau [who was a 1% by birth but there as a representative of the 99% of his city] surely sounded like an OWS when he declaredto the armed guards sent to evict the representatives:

        « Allez dire à ceux qui vous envoient que nous sommes ici par la volonté du peuple et que nous ne quitterons nos places que par la force des baïonnettes ! »

        Roughly translated, he said  :

        Go tell those who sent you that it is by virtue of peoples' wish that we are here and it is only at bayonet point that we will leave  our places  

        They occupied a royal tennis court [a kind of squash court] until the King granted them the right to assemble.  More at Wikipedia; the has the famous drawing by the artist David.

        wiki on tennis court oath">

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 09:19:20 PM PST

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