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  •  Once it's legal, it's a commodity (1+ / 0-)
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    Once pot is legal, it will be a commodity and big tobacco companies who have mass produced a smoke-able product for over 100 years will bury any small local grower. I don't think it will be the utopia that many people think it will be.

    •  I don't think Big tobacco CAN co-opt it (7+ / 0-)

      Anyone can grow pot in their house or yard and smoke it, it doesn't take big setup/manufacture/distribution like tobacco does. It would be almost impossible for someone to grow enough  tobacco to support his habit, even enough for just himself, but it can be done easily with weed.
      Most people I know who smoke pot either grow it themselves by now or know someone who does. That will go right on happening if its legalized. For that reason I think the tax revenue people expect if its leagalized is just not going to happen. People are already growing illegally, theyre not going to get all moral and upright and start paying taxes on it if its legal, they'll just go right on growing it ouside the system.
      Marijuana should be made legal but it'll take all the fun out of growing (or so Ive heard)

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 05:10:22 AM PST

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      •  You underestimate the lazy population (3+ / 0-)
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        or people who would be occasional pot smokers but are not dedicated enough to go to the trouble of growing their own. There would be a huge "convenience" market. A lot of gourmet chefs grow their own (cooking) herbs...it's the only way to be sure they're perfectly fresh...but plenty more people buy those packaged herbs in the grocery store, and even more just get the dried ones in the jar.

        There are also quality issues...I'm no expert in this but it's my understanding that there are a lot of specialized strains out there that require special handling...I'm sure there is an advantage to having experts grow the stuff. In a legal market there could be a very wide range of products at wide range of price points.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 05:54:30 AM PST

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        •  no such thing... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... as a specialized strain that requires special handling.

          Any arthritic grandma can grow the dankest bud in her container garden.  It is literally a "weed" and can tolerate quite a bit of abuse.  Much easier to grow than orchids, roses, and other sensitive plants.

          Where specialized training might be needed is the production of plant concentrates, like hash, oil, tinctures, etc.

          •  freshwater (0+ / 0-)

            a familiar name, interesting you are so well versed in the subject.
            ..thanks for your cogent comments.

            I look forward to not reading about ruined housing, usually rental for lower income people, being ruined by the in house grows, that chaps my hide in spite of the ingenuity/recklessness displayed.

            In one house, well, more than one, there were butane tanks in the same house that was wired for maybe 50,000 watts of lighting, I think that one did catch fire, the butane did not, luckily for everybody: the firefighters, the neighbors....a residential neighborhood, not the place for an ad hoc industrial processing of hash.

             

            ..squinting all the while in the glare of a culture that radiates ultraviolet consumerism and infrared celebrity...Russell Brand

            by KenBee on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 09:50:53 AM PST

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          •  Pot clinics would beg to differ (0+ / 0-)

            The ads for pot clinics that I see all trumpet how they have special pot hybrids with fancy names that are exclusive to them.
            is that simply BS marketing?  If so, then it can be mass produced and the bottom will drop out of the market.

            •  Yes, it is BS marketing. (0+ / 0-)

              Yes, it can be mass produced by pretty much anyone.

              No one holds a secret ingredient or technique. The finest genetics (seeds) are available for sale online and in magazines.

              Yes, the bottom will drop out of the market if it is legalized. (like a bottle of Dom Perignon eventually going for the price of a good microbrew)

    •  not quite (1+ / 0-)
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      Most people think that big-tobacco companies own major plantations where they grow tobacco.  In truth, most tobacco is grown by smaller farmers and sold to big tobacco in large government controlled auctions (minimum price fixed).

      The fear that big-tobacco will go into California and buy up large plots of land for their big-weed plantations is unfounded.  These companies don't own land and don't employ farmers.

      Where big-tobacco makes their money is blending tobacco from a variety of regions, adding their various chemicals, and producing a uniform tasting product.  Their "value-added" is pretty significant from the raw tobacco to the final cigarette.

      Cannabis, by contract, merely needs to be dried from the raw product.  It can be smoked or eaten immediately after drying/curing.  A "big-tobacco" / "big-weed" conglomerate would only add value by rolling it into cigarettes or packaging.

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