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  •  Lesson: Careful trying to be "populist." (3+ / 0-)
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    John Liu certainly has no trouble raising money and certainly has no need to cut corners.  With campaign finance rules surrounding matching funds there is only a very limited amount of money one needs to raise.  But he decided partly for PR reasons and partly to build his database of supporters to instead raise his money in small increments.  Rather than making him look like a man of the people he's getting blow back from immigrants often with poor english language skills and certainly with little knowledge of the law doing more harm than good.  Would've been a better idea to just take a book from Quinn's book and just have the typical well connected city contractors and lobbyists arrange for fewer and larger maximum donations.

    As for him being the frontrunner.  Poll wise probably that has been Quinn though at this point polls are mostly whoever has the dimmest of name identification.

    Liu has been courting liberals partly by being the loudest and most strident in opposing Bloomberg.  DiBlasio is well liked among the party bosses or as I heard someone say "DiBlasio knows how to treat regular Democrats."

    Both have strong union support.  Though Liu might well be hurt more by his joint proposal with Bloomberg to streamline pension boards than any of this stuff.

    The guy I'd look out for is the rarely discussed Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer who has been impressing people.

    Maybe it's just where I live but I have yet to actually talk with anyone in NYC who actually likes Christine Quinn.  Even the folks I know in AIDS Action dislike her.  But the business establishment certainly likes her and she still has two years to forge an identify separate from that of Bloomberg.

    As I've been saying for months if I had to place money on someone I'd put it on DiBlasio.

    •  After what Bloomberg has done to OWS (0+ / 0-)

      Quinn has no chance whatsoever unless she roundly condemns Bloomberg's brutality and disassociates herself from him at this late date.

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      by MichaelNY on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 07:36:50 PM PST

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      •  She has. (1+ / 0-)
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        Course it isn't as forceful as Liu, diBlasio, or Stringer who have previously openly supported OWS.  Though honestly Stringer bringing up Tianamen Square was a bit much.  Not that I think it will even be an issue come 2013.  But the question is not whether she can organize a press conference but whether she can form her own separate identity on issues such as (over)development and education.

        Or crime for that matter.

        •  Why do you think it won't be an issue in 2013? (0+ / 0-)

          Do you expect the movement to fade away? If so, why?

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          by MichaelNY on Fri Nov 18, 2011 at 07:28:32 PM PST

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          •  It would be sad if it didn't. (1+ / 0-)
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            If in 2013 you still have folks trying to pitch tents with a sprawling laundry list of demands it means everything has went wrong. Though I guess it is possible since there has been too much emphasis on "occupy" and not enough on "wall street" or political (as opposed to street) organizing.  It is reminding me of the anti-globalization protests you saw at the G-8 summits in the late Clinton / early Bush years.  Very large and surprisingly organized but ultimately made irrelevant by a failure to do anything besides protest.

            The Tea Party succeeded not just because they got a lot of publicity with some often goofy protests but because they went home and organized to make an impact in their party and an impact in the general election.  Not that a generous helping of Koch brothers money didn't hurt.

            Hopefully OWS metamorphizes like the anti-Iraq war movement did into something bigger that helps affect the political process positively.

            But by 2013 I believe it will fade either because it has grown into something unrecognizable but ultimately bigger and better as the 2012 election season passes or has atrophied and withered away in futility.

            The only way OWS protests may still become an issue is if Ray Kelly is the Republican nominee (which is unlikely as Ray Kelly has been privately telling people emphatically he isn't interested).

            Though the reason diBlasio, Liu, and Stringer have been so emphatic in their support is that they are hoping some of those folks do become involved in their campaigns.  If not necessarily the protests themselves are around in 2013 the candidates are looking for the issues and the energy to remain.

            •  I respect what you say (0+ / 0-)

              But I think it will take more than 2 years to transform this society. It took 40 some-odd years for all those resources to trickle up. Wresting them from the Powers That Be isn't going to be so easy.

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              by MichaelNY on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 08:43:38 PM PST

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