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  •  Non-Violence is the only effective way (4+ / 0-)

    to disarm them.


    And starting Employee-owned, profit-sharing business, too.


    Interesting to see, the prof covered the topic.


    What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
    -- Maslow ...... my list.

    by jamess on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 05:53:35 AM PST

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    •  Maybe (1+ / 0-)
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      annan

      But non-violence only works when the opposition is capable of shame.

      Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

      by EthrDemon on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 10:35:17 AM PST

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      •  No the oppositions (4+ / 0-)

        lack of shame is a given. It works when people reach a critical mass and lose their fear and withdraw their consent and support to a system where brutal force is used to stop dissent that is needed. Everybody knows this is an anti-democratic corporate state at this point. Those that fear it or prefer to stick their head in the sand will find it harder and harder once the 1% gets there agenda passed and globally imposes austerity for all for their 'race to the top'.

         People agree with what occupy says. They may be afraid of civil unrest or the tactics used but at what point does the fear leave. When a government takes away all parliamentary means for people to settle their grievances the worm turns. What choice do they have other then taking it to the streets. The !% know this and it's why they are dehumanizing the protesters. It's also why they are brutalizing them a warning to others who think maybe this will work, nothing else does.    

        •  I don't think you got my point (0+ / 0-)

          Without someone on the side of 'the system' saying "enough," there is nothing to stop it from defending itself with increasing levels of violence.

          Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

          by EthrDemon on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 03:48:21 PM PST

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          •  and their increasing levels of violence, (1+ / 0-)
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            shaharazade

            against OWS,

            only brings more people to the cause,

            who otherwise would have otherwise ignored it.


            What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
            -- Maslow ...... my list.

            by jamess on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 06:23:15 PM PST

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          •  well all the more reason (0+ / 0-)

            to oppose the status quo from the outside. Of course it will defend itself with whatever mechanisms it has be it propaganda or violence. So are you saying that means people globally should just back down, and wait until we get people inside? How can we? The avenues are closed money is speech corporations are people. They own our government there is no way left to get inside. We tried inside we voted for change we petitioned and pleaded. It does not work. It's FUBAR at this point. The system will never say enough as has it covered all bases and does not allow anyone inside who stands up power or even a voice.

    •  Yes, and (1+ / 0-)
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      jamess

      beating them at their own game by not playing with them, which they've explained to us we can't win.

      There are so many more interesting things to do than to pay attention to them.

    •  When I said Yes, (2+ / 0-)
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      Eric Nelson, jamess

      I meant it in agreement with jamess that

      Non-Violence is the only effective way
      to disarm them.

      Sometimes the sequence of responses seems to change the context.

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