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  •  You said (11+ / 0-)

    "The anti-Apartheid movement was organized... had a purpose." You imply OWS has no purpose. OWS has an explicit purpose, although its way forward is just as unclear as was the anti-apartheid movement's in the latter's early years.

    Then you say the only purpose you see in OWS is a desire to "bring down the 1%." I see it as the first step toward lifting the many rather than dragging down the few.

    You see nothingness and degradation. Perhaps that's the basis of your grim predictions of OWS's demise.

    I see renewal, reinvestment, and empowerment. Perhaps that's the basis of my fledgling, heart-in-my-throat optimism.

    •  Hear hear! (6+ / 0-)

      There's a cure for cynicism and grumbling. It's called fucking doing something about it. A disorganized attempt is more nobel than being depressed and angry all the time.

      If any of you brilliant folks think you know a better way Occupy can work you're in luck, because we're taking applications. Join us!

      "To the People (aka the 99%): Our only demand is an invitation: Join Us!" -- Occupy Oakland Demands 10/13/2011

      by mic check oakland on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 06:37:05 PM PST

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      •  Well, do you have knowledge about what... (0+ / 0-)

        I may or may not be doing?  You presume too much perhaps?

        In my opinion, declare victory and truly organize to go national come spring.

        It is impossible for all 99% to participate in direct democracy, or to expect that as a condition to express opinion.  OWS has the platform, like it or not, and should have accountability as a result.

    •  Why don't you tell me what you think... (0+ / 0-)

      as you obviously don't know what I think.  Instead, you would rather dictate to me.  Plenty of OWS people seek to tear down rather than build up.  If you have not seen or heard that you have not been paying attention, so far as I am concerned.

      It's not my fault that people increasingly see what I see.

      What's wacky to me is that most who argue here act like I am pleased about all this.

      That does not mean, however, that I should deny the reality, either.

      •  All we can go in is your words (0+ / 0-)

        If you feel you were misunderstood, use different words.

        •  ahem... "go on", not "go in" (0+ / 0-)
        •  You assume that my words were not... (0+ / 0-)

          twisted for arguments sake.  As I said, people should say what they think rather than dictating to me about what I am thinking.  It's pretty easy to understand, actually.

          •  I assume that if 20 or 30 people "mistake" your (0+ / 0-)

            meaning, it might be because your wording needs tweaking to make your meaning clear.

            Communication does not occur just because a sender puts noises out into space. It takes place when the noises are received and unscrambled to the mutual agreement of sender and receiver.

            If you don't want to communicate your actual meaning, that's fine by me.

            If you are a Debbie Downer and mean precisely what 20 or 30 of us think you said in your original message, that's fine by me. A bunch of us disagree with you.

            I'm done.

            •  20 or 30? (0+ / 0-)

              Isn't it more like 2 or 3?  Why does every observation that differs give cause to a silly conversation like this?

              I do not go around this site lecturing others about what they mean.  More should follow my example.

              •  I couldn't resist reading your reply (0+ / 0-)

                Communication... um no. Counting recs... um no.

                Alas 53, our little voice crying out in the wilderness, just sure that others should follow her/him....

                •  And then you show the small side. (0+ / 0-)

                  Don't understand why it it always comes down to an insult.

                  If I am discussing with 2-3, I think saying it's 20-30, not to mention the rest, shows it was not really about what I originally meant, or communication.

                  You just wanted to put me down because you did not like my opinion.  It's the norm here.

                  So it goes.

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