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  •  Jon Stewart is dedicated (15+ / 0-)

    to false equivalency. He goes out of his way to find ways to make the right happy by criticizing the left in equal measures. The problem is that while the right has numerous examples of egregious and absurd actions, the left has far fewer, so the show has to stretch to make them.

    Unfortunately, the times Stewart does this tend to be among the least funny, which to me contradicts his claim that they are a comedy show above all. If so, then the point should be comedy, and he shouldn't feel the need to hunt for things on the left that don't really lend themselves to ridicule and ridicule them.

    If he can't find something truly laughable on the left, then he shouldn't pretend just to pacify his buddy Bill O'Reilly.

    And I say this as someone who watches Stewart nightly and went to the Rally to Restore Sanity, where this false equivalency was on ample display, as Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann were framed as though they were the left equivalent of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

    We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

    by CatM on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 04:54:06 PM PST

    •  this comment is full of win (10+ / 0-)
      Unfortunately, the times Stewart does this tend to be among the least funny, which to me contradicts his claim that they are a comedy show above all. If so, then the point should be comedy, and he shouldn't feel the need to hunt for things on the left that don't really lend themselves to ridicule and ridicule them.

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      They call me Gato, I have metal joints. Beat me up and earn 15 silver points. -- Gato the Robot, Chrono Trigger

      by rexymeteorite on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 04:56:05 PM PST

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    •  That's really not true (9+ / 0-)

      Stewart makes fun of the right far more than he makes fun of the left.  And yeah, no shit you're gonna find the stuff that makes fun of liberals less funny than the stuff that makes fun of conservatives... It's comedy, and therefore doesn't exactly have airtight arguments.  You can poke holes in their pieces critiquing the right just as much as you can the left... The OWS piece yesterday wasn't their funniest piece (I've never been a huge Sam Bee fan) but the fact is is that there's plenty of opportunity to poke fun at OWS people, just as there would be at a tea party rally.  It is a comedy show first.

      •  He does make fun of right more than left (4+ / 0-)

        But he still stretches to make fun of the left to appease critics who call him biased, and to do so seizes on incidents on the left that aren't funny.

        Steven Colbert poked fun at OWS people, and it was actually funny. He poked fun of the things that actually lend themselves to ridicule, like the whole voting by finger wagging, drum circles, and the refusal to identify concrete positions.

        But the segment on Stewart last night struggled to create an image of broad class segregation among OWS that really didn't seem all that supported even by most of the people they interviewed.

        His segment on Solyndra as an example of an Obama scandal was also pathetically nonfunny and reeked of false equivalency.

        If it IS a comedy show first, then he should stop inventing ways to ridicule the left that simply aren't funny and should instead focus on what is funny, whether it is left or right.

        Or, when all else fails, he can do what he likes to do--resort to childish fart jokes and sounds.

        I disagree with you that you can just as easily poke holes in his pieces criticizing the right. The right is replete with extreme absurdities, so it's very easy to find ones that make the ordinary person laugh. The left has them but in far smaller number, making them harder for his writers to sniff out.  And it shows.

        We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

        by CatM on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 05:19:26 PM PST

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        •  I can get behind most of that (5+ / 0-)

          Like I said, the segment last night wasn't great (and Colbert's was definitely much better) and I do find it generally funnier when they make fun of the right more than when they go after the left (though, of course, we're all biased on that front on this site).

          Still don't really agree with the last paragraph though... The fact is, most of their segments have manipulative editing, simplifying of more complex arguments, etc... It's just a lot easier to overlook those things when you agree with the main thrust of the piece.

          •  What left leaning show (4+ / 0-)

            says as many inconsistent and ridiculous things as the morons on fox and friends? It is harder to find examples on the left because most on the left try to be accurate and honest even when it does not favor them, so you see fewer absurd and obvious inconsistencies. The right meanwhile, often engages in extreme verbal contortions to ensure that every situation they discuss favors a right leaning position. That is so much easier to poke fun of than people telling the truth, like Rachel or Keith or even Ed generally do.

            And I think Jon's team too often does similar contortions to try to make it seem like the left does the same thing, but because they really don't, the segments fall flat.

            By the same token, it is why the fight is so much harder for the left-- it is against our nature to tell blatant lies that we know are not supported by the facts just to score political points. The right's followers are so obsessed with government conspiracies and so filled with hatred for anything to the left of their extremism that they are more likely to trust what they are told if it comes from a rightwing source.

            We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

            by CatM on Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 06:37:27 PM PST

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        •  The 99% "leaders" meeting in Deutche Bank (3+ / 0-)
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          was so absolutely devastatingly hilarious that Orwell would have found it funny instead of sad. It was beyond a caricature of Animal Farm. It didn't seem real. But it was.  

    •  Spot on n/t (1+ / 0-)
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