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  •  I suppose this is about Herman Cain (5+ / 2-)

    And with the number of stories coming out I'm inclined to believe there was wrongdoing.

    But when it was Paula Jones, Cathline Willey, and Juanita Brodarick Making accusations, they were just some sluts looking for a payday.

    •  HR for misogyny n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      •  You can call it misogyny (3+ / 0-)
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        but that's what many on the left portrayed Bill Clinton's acusers. Trailor Trash. Now the right is doing the same with Cain's accusers.

        •  You're right about that. (3+ / 0-)

          There is a tendency to defend misbehavior when it's committed by someone on your own "team".  But in the case of Clinton's accusers, I think most of us waited until their stories started unraveling.  And most of us refrained from misogynist attacks on them.

        •  And so, BokenTerp, you think it is fine to (1+ / 0-)
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          continue with this behavior? The comic is just a rehashing of bullshit men pull out to demean women and make themselves feel better.

          I would have thought Tom Tomorrow was smarter than that.

          He's a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction. Kris Kristofferson

          by glorificus on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 10:03:59 AM PST

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        •  There was nothing swept under the rug about (2+ / 0-)
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          Clinton's indiscretions. He had the privilege of being the first and only president in history to have to fight constant personal law suits. I'm not saying he didn't have his indiscretions, although I think in many of these cases they did find that some of the accusers were not always credible and were perhaps even bankrolled by right wing smear merchants. However, where you are definitely wrong is the claim that Liberals simply resorted to calling the accusers sluts or dismissing them out of hand. You also don't hear left wingers claiming that sexual harassment doesn't really exist and that any woman who claims she was harassed is just a gold digger. Also, unlike Republican voters, many Liberals actually disapproved of Clinton for his behavior. In the case of Cain, he actually rose in popularity with Republican voters after the news surfaced that he had repeatedly had to pay to settle sexual harassment claims.

          Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

          by tekno2600 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 02:33:27 PM PST

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      •  The Misogynistic men in the 'toon were the butt of (2+ / 0-)
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        the joke. Didn't you read the last panel?

        Lea: "You're not going to fly into an asteroid field, are you?" Han Solo: "They'd be crazy to follow us, wouldn't they?"

        by Kimball Cross on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 07:26:47 AM PST

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        •  I did (1+ / 0-)
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          and I thought it was done in a clever way. but we're not discussing sexual harassment out of the blue. It's in the context of accusations against Herman Cain. Acccusations I'm inclined to believe....

          what I was pointing out is that, when the shoe is on the other foot, the blindspot people have on this issue when the target of multiple accusations is a partisan on their own side.

          When people come forward making accusations against public figures, no one is saying they are entitled to automatic credulity. They should be treated with respect though. The default response is to trash the accuser and both sides do it.

          •  I don't care that "both sides do it" (2+ / 0-)
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            When you indicate that it's OK to call women names that degrade them for having had patriarchally unapproved sex, you're spreading right-wing memes.

            Same reason we H/R people for calling Ann Coulter "Mann Coulter" -- you're harming not just your target but everybody with whom she shares the characteristic that you target her for.

      •  I Would've HR'd For Poor Spelling (0+ / 0-)

        ..and for being directionally impaired. If this was Redstate, he may have had a point. But it's not.

    •  funny how that works (6+ / 0-)

      when the other guys are accused...of course they're guilty!

      when our guys are accused...how could people say such horrible things?

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      by RumsfeldResign on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 07:18:09 AM PST

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    •  To be fair (3+ / 0-)

      Every case has to be judged on its own merits, fairly.  For women, it's fairly easy to suss out the difference between sexual harassment and extramarital affairs.  

      To learn more about it, you might want to check out Gene Lyon's and Joe Conason's The Hunting of the President.

      Yes, there are occasions when women pursue men in the workplace. It's wrong or just inappropriate regardless of who is doing it.  Personally, I always had strict rules about it. If you're a woman who wants to be taken seriously at the office, don't develop a romantic relationship with the men.  There are lots of fish in the sea outside of those on the company roster.

      "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

      by Betty Pinson on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 07:40:30 AM PST

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      •  Also known as (2+ / 0-)
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        "don't shit where you eat" to some cruder friends of mine. Besides, if the relationship turns sour (as is sadly often the case), what happens when you still have to work with that person?

        (In this era, I'd say that also applies to same-sex relationships as well.)

        Now to try to end the wars we ask our gay and straight soldiers to fight. -- Chris Hayes (modified)

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 07:48:23 AM PST

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        •  Yep (2+ / 0-)
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          That's where Jones, Willey, Lewinsky, et al got into trouble - flirting with a boss, then turning on him when Scaife's elves turned a spotlight on their relationship and applied pressure.

          Clinton should have known better, but anyone who has read the research knows these were very much consensual relationships.

          Obama seems to have learned from Clinton's foibles.  Maybe that's why he has so few women on is WH team.

          "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

          by Betty Pinson on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 08:30:56 AM PST

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        •  Also, "Don't stick your dick in the till". (0+ / 0-)

          There are all kinds of pithy ways of saying it...business and pleasure generally don't go together.

          A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow

          by jayjaybear on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 09:16:35 AM PST

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