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  •  Do you have a problem with FOIA ? (14+ / 0-)

    Transparency and "Sunlight" are key,

    to keeping some semblance of a "responsive" and "accountable" Government.

    It's why the Law is there.

    They -- work for us.

    (in theory anyways)

    What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
    -- Maslow ...... my list.

    by jamess on Fri Nov 18, 2011 at 09:59:48 PM PST

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    •  No... I have no problem with this whatsoever (14+ / 0-)

      I was just saying that there is, at this point in time, no evidence to support the allegations of federal coordination of the crackdown.

      That's the whole point of the FOIA requests... to help determine if there's any validity to those allegations.

      Pretending otherwise is what I have a problem with.


      •  And what might your response be if (2+ / 0-)
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        the DHS drags its feet or otherwise frustrates compliance with the FOIA request?

        Will you still dismiss the suspicions of DHS coordination as irresponsible CT?

        "Honey, don't hit your sister. And, pick up those socks. I love you." - my Mom

        by WisePiper on Fri Nov 18, 2011 at 11:13:33 PM PST

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      •  There's a shitload of evidence... (12+ / 0-)

        you can call it circumstantial, you can call it disturbing, call it what you want: but this is coordinated. Quan already pointed that out, she just didn't name all the parties involved.

        The silence emanating from the DOJ and DHS is also telling: they aren't lifting a finger to protect U.S. citizens from abuse, or to try to reign in this type of police tactics.

        Why? Do you have an answer to that?

        •  What we know is that there is a group (7+ / 0-)
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          of Fusion Centers Which might make id'ing who is who difficult. I'm unclear how they look in practice, although I've SEEN five images now of DHS at OWS events. Usually just one or two of them, however. And I don't know if Fusion Center people ID as DHS.  

          Here is an interesting and must-read article for those interested in KNOWN collusion between Federal and local agents under PERF:

          Ah yes, and the article states:

          PERF coordinated a November 10 conference call with city police chiefs across the country – and many of these cities undertook crackdowns shortly afterward.

          That really, really counters the false narrative spun from up in Portland where the Mayor said the call was "like Theraphy, a support group" or whatever mealy mouthed remark she made was.

          •  More info on PERF and the conference call (2+ / 0-)
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            From theSan Jose Mercury News

            That determination leaves city officials across the country scrambling to keep one step ahead of the protesters. In two recent conference calls, police chiefs from across the country, including Oakland's interim chief Howard Jordan, discussed and debated the best time of day to raid, whether to set eviction deadlines, and how best to communicate with the leaderless group.

            "The purpose wasn't to try to organize what everyone was going to do because, quite frankly, each city has its unique challenges," said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Police Executive Research Forum, which organized a call among nearly 40 police chiefs.

            "The most important thing was clear lines of communication about what was going to be acceptable behavior and what wasn't," Wexler said. "The last thing the police wanted to do was surprise demonstrators."

            Communication has been particularly challenging in Oakland, where protesters rebuffed overtures to meet with Quan. Oakland Police's clashes with protesters have served as a cautionary example for police elsewhere to avoid.

            "In all cases, the real sense was that the police did not want to become the target of the protesters," Wexler said. "I think they have learned from experiences in the '60s that if a demonstration is peaceful and if people are simply expressing their First Amendment rights and aren't interfering with anybody, the police don't want to interfere."

            •  How is this not interfering? (1+ / 0-)
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              I guess I'm stupid about this, but I'm seeing footage of police swinging batons at people. How in the world do officials see that as justifiable force simply because protesters won't move? Sitting. Linking arms. Yeah, protesters are being a pain in their ass. But they could carry them out one by one.

              I really do not understand what the cities are thinking.

              Poverty = politics.

              by Renee on Sat Nov 19, 2011 at 11:51:54 AM PST

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    •  I do not believe they will comply (3+ / 0-)

      and will use some sort of "national security" bullshit to avoid compliance.

      And yes, I am very convinced that these attacks on the occupations are being supported by the federal government with information, tactical advice, and/or training.

      The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- We are fighting back to save our soul. Thank you, #OWS for empowering us all.

      by gulfgal98 on Sat Nov 19, 2011 at 06:18:56 AM PST

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