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  •  I have not -- but I've read Weber! (4+ / 0-)
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    I think that it's also interesting to consider what goes into and what is excluded from the definition of "violence," though.  Was that pepper spraying "violence"?

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    by Seneca Doane on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 01:47:29 PM PST

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    •  If not, then what is? (5+ / 0-)

      Here are the first two definitions of violence at dictionary.com

      1. swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
      2. rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.

      Pepper spray is surely rough and injurious, is it not?

      (And I highly recommend the Pinker book. I don't agree with all of it, but he's a highly intelligent and erudite person, and a good writer)

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      by plf515 on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 01:58:33 PM PST

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      •  They would probably argue that it isn't (1+ / 0-)
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        for some of the reasoning that surgery isn't violence: it ain't illegal.

        I'm not saying I agree, but that's what I'd expect them to say.

        Democrats must
        Earn the trust
        Of the 99% --
        That's our intent!

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinksy OCcupy!

        by Seneca Doane on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 10:33:30 PM PST

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