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  •  And yet in all these awful cases (3+ / 0-)
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    the defendant/victim still has due process and redress and remedy available to her in the courts. Plus, plenty of motivated lawyers ready to defend her.

    •  Will due process heal a split open head? (3+ / 0-)


      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 01:09:27 PM PST

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    •  Except when they don't (12+ / 0-)

      The patriot act made made habeous corpus redundant, if you can not get into court where is your redress?  Aak those held in US prisons with out trial.

      In many instances the people do not get into court, or when they do it is too late.  IN many instnaces there is no due process.  or due process is a plea bargain 5 years later.  

      there is only one reality, republicans just forget at times

      by Bloke on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 01:11:30 PM PST

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      •  Americans held without trial (1+ / 0-)
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        or counsel are far and few between. The awful Patriot Act, reauthorized and extended by the current President, is still a work in process and hopefully will eventually be reigned in.

        Maybe it would help if progressives would stop supporting machine/status-quo democratic politicians.

        •  Ask the muslem community about that (6+ / 0-)

          How many people did Ashcroft have held after 9/11?
          How many people does it take held with out trial to matter?

          If one man is falsely held are we not all falsely held? Or more to the point the chilling effect of seeing your fellow citizen locked up with out trial or recorse ensures that others are much less likely to follow, ask Bradley Manning, it will be very interesting to see what happens if they ever get their hands on Julian Asange.  

          Of course the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth amendments come with an astrix " unless its only a few of the citizenry impacted"

          there is only one reality, republicans just forget at times

          by Bloke on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 01:36:03 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, right (4+ / 0-)

      Oh for Christ sakes, due process? You've got to be kidding me. Due process? Is that what they had at Guantanamo Bay? Is that what people who have been shot or Tased by the police and killed, is that what they have? Is that what you have if you're black and you get a shakedown from the cops all the time just for walking down the street? Is that what you get if you're Muslim and the police think you're acting suspiciously?

      Due process. You're living in a fantasy land.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 01:57:45 PM PST

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    •  In theory, yes, they have due process (0+ / 0-)

      and redress, but only if they're millionaires like Rush Limbaugh.

      This "redress" meme is not good enough.  It's not good enough to have your rights trampled on, and then have to spend hundreds of hours to prove to some good or bad judge that you were right, not to mention the thousands or tens of thousands of dollars it's going to cost you for this so-called "redress."

      Plus, plenty of motivated lawyers ready to defend her.

      Are you aware of how many of these "motivated lawyers" who are willing to take this case on at no cost to the victim?  This isn't a contingency case, as you should know.

      The threshold is NOT to try to get away with anything you can, and then take your case to court.  

      We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

      by gooderservice on Sun Nov 20, 2011 at 03:43:46 PM PST

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      •  Civil rights statutes (0+ / 0-)

        very often provide for fee shifting...violators pay the attorney's fees of the victims. So yes civil rights cases are often taken on contingency.

        Further remedy is provided by the electoral process. (E.g., why is Nancy Pelosi still in office?)

    •  Uh-huh (0+ / 0-)

      yeah, the woman needs to go through due process for executing her constitutional right to peaceful assembly.

      Really? Is that really your "argument"?

      There are none so blind as those who willfully look the other way.

      REPEAL the Telecomm Act & REVIEW this decision. NO journalist should be fired because their boss can't have the truth told.

      by lunachickie on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 05:14:23 PM PST

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