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  •  Anton, relax. Show some restrain. (2+ / 0-)
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    •  happy thanksgiving, Ray (1+ / 0-)
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      try not to work everyone into a state of fear just in time for the holidays

      i'm just gonna disagree with you in silence from now on.

      have a happy holiday season.

      I would not be just a nuffin'. My head all full of stuffin'. My heart all full of pain. I would dance and be merry. Life would be a ding-a-derry. If I only had a brain. - Scarecrow

      by Anton Bursch on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 05:57:58 PM PST

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      •  Anton, I'm just an insignificant and anonymous (3+ / 0-)
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        "blogger" with no power to influence anyone, whatsoever.  If I were able to influence people, I would ask that 100,000 people flash-mob Wall Street tomorrow (Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving), and force the whole fucking place to shut down until the police arrests all the thieves that reside there...

        And if I did that, from my keyboard, rest assure the authorities would want to talk to me...

        So, don't worry.  I'm anonymous so far, and hence harmless.  Don't be afraid of me, Anton.

        Happy Thanksgiving... We're getting ready to relax and enjoy Thursday with family.

        •  you do have influence, Ray (4+ / 0-)

          the Occupy movement is an in the street protest movement.  unlike every other protest movement in the history of this country it does not have an official leader(s) with a communication hierarchy.  instead, everyone is a leader and communicate instantly through the internet and texting.

          this is the Occupy movement:

          instead of one person being able to tell 100,000 people to flash mob... any one person can say or do something and inspire 1,000,000 others to follow their example.  and if it catches on around the world, maybe tens of millions.  maybe hundreds of millions.  

          what you say and do has influence, Ray.  vastly far more today than it would have had 3 months ago.  the power of the Occupy movement is giving people like you and me the chance to inspire change that can affect the course of the human race.  don't underestimate yourself and don't underestimate the responsibility you have with what you say and what you do right now.

          have a happy thanksgiving, Ray.

          I would not be just a nuffin'. My head all full of stuffin'. My heart all full of pain. I would dance and be merry. Life would be a ding-a-derry. If I only had a brain. - Scarecrow

          by Anton Bursch on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 06:40:59 PM PST

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          •  by the way (3+ / 0-)

            if it's your job to warn people about the seriousness of police abuse brutality and what it may mean to the state of our country... then it is my job to counter balance what you are saying to make sure that people don't become so scared that they go into a defensive state and react to police violence with the natural human instinctual response: violence in return.  

            i have personal experience with violent authoritarianism.  as i have written before... i had the shit beat out of me as a kid by foster and adopted parents.  i have seen what happens to people who are being violently abused.  some cower in terror.  others appease.  and others defend themselves violently.  

            i lived with foster kids.  i listened to some who were beaten talk about how they weren't going to take it anymore.  that if they were touched again that they were going to retaliate.  and i watched them do it in the moment.  

            what i don't want to have happen is for the natural fight instinct to turn on in the protestors and have pepper spraying turn into fatal shooting when someone being pepper sprayed lashes out at the police.  the ONLY reason why i am countering what you are saying is to try to prevent that from happening.  

            these protests are a unique situation.  everyone is already on edge.  nervous.  scared.  defiant.  it doesn't take a violent person to see red while seeing their friend hit by a baton and suddenly we have dead protestors.  and then what?  then it gets worse.  

            I would not be just a nuffin'. My head all full of stuffin'. My heart all full of pain. I would dance and be merry. Life would be a ding-a-derry. If I only had a brain. - Scarecrow

            by Anton Bursch on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 06:55:28 PM PST

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