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  •  You or Your Kids? (1+ / 0-)
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    If you cleaned the bathrooms fine - you're an adult. Children however should not be working to provide themselves with the basics like education.

    •  Both of us. (0+ / 0-)

      And why shouldn't they be working?
      There is a lot more to education than sitting in a classroom.

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      by dinotrac on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 07:14:19 PM PST

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      •  The only education that they learned (0+ / 0-)

        There are lots of things that children need to learn that doesn't involve the school classroom.

        Cleaning the bathrooms at the school, IMHO, isn't the lesson that should be learned- If the school was genuinely concerned about the children, then they should have given them a meaningful job that helped educate them. IMHO, having them cleaning the bathroom isn't work, it's a punishment for parents who couldn't pay the tuition. It pointed out to the other children that there is something wrong with "you" -

        When I went to a school, a Catholic High School, we didn't get to clean the bathroom, instead they had us do meaningful work, like do well in classes and grades. The majority of my school had to work to help support their families - The school didn't need to humiliate us by making us scrub the bathroom.

        By the time I was in my Junior and Senior year  I worked two jobs, and went to school to support myself.

        So, don't talk about responsibility -- I should have been learning and being educated rather than working - I feel that people who whine and complain about kids not learning responsibility aren't doing their damn jobs in the first place. STOP complaining and start parenting - It's your responsibility to make Ms. privileged stop being privileged.  

        They should be working because their JOB is to learn, to excel, to be excellent, to work at being the best they can -- YOUR JOB IS SUPPORTING THEM FINANCIALLY.

        •  Really? You honestly believe that? (0+ / 0-)

          Cleaning the bathrooms was a great educational experience.

          Let's see:

          1.  An appreciation for the value of honest work and the people who do it.  Much better than looking down one's nose at people who have to do those jobs.

          2. An appreciation for what their parents are willing to do to for them, and a sense of working together as a family to get through rough patches.

          Now, here's a news flash for you, Einstein -- and your lofty pompous nose:

          Sometimes we can't find work.
          Sometimes people won't hire us.
          Sometimes the work we find won't pay the bills.

          Feel free to sit in your smug little world and call us failures or whatever judgment you wish to cast.
          I hope you never ever ever have to go through what we have gone through and are going through now.

          I am curious where your rant about whining comes from.
          I don't believe that I have whined about a thing.  Maybe that's just your prejudice toward we poor folk who aren't  as good as you.

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          by dinotrac on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 09:17:47 AM PST

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          •  Really (0+ / 0-)

            Geee -- If you are unemployed then maybe you are the one that should be scrubbing the bathrooms at the school, instead of forcing your child to do it. It's not their bill but your bill. I think what it's showing your children is that it's okay to use children, because their is a specialness about you.

            I am not rich-- and have been so poor that I have had to decide whether I had enough money for rent or food -

            My rant is because I AM SICK AND tired of parents forcing children to work to pay their BILLS!

            I am sick and tired of parent whining that because they can't pay for something that their children will have to pay for it.

            I am sick and tired of parents using their children.

            Yes, I know what it's like to be poor, I was homeless at one point of my life.  I know what it's like to be used by a parent who forced me to work - a full time job while going to school full time at the age of 16 and working part-time close to full time work from 14.

            So Don't give me shit -- I know what it's like...

            Yes, I do think it's a form of punishment for your school to hand out jobs to those who can't afford the tution to scrub the bathrooms. It's marking those children as being poor and having to do this -- Yes, I have seen children be cruel to other children because of this.  The school is setting an example that the children who can't pay have to serve those who can pay. That's the reason I believe it's the wrong example. Sorry, but if you want the tution paid go scrub the bathroom yourself.

      •  How old was the child? (0+ / 0-)

        Did the child have a work permit? Were you and the child being paid an actual hourly wage for you labor or was it an informal agreement to do some work in exchange for having tuition waved? Did the child really want to go to this private school instead of public school so badly that cleaning the bathroom seemed worthwhile or did you simply require the child to do it?

        Depending on the age of the child, what they actually did (were they cleaning with toxic chemicals?) and the answers to the question and where you live it could have been that child labor laws were violated and that you would be considered to be legally an unfit parent.

        Cleaning a public restroom to the sanitary level required by law is a completely different task then cleaning a home bathroom.

        Personally I don't think much of your school's Christian Charity is they would be OK with having a student clean the bathroom in exchange for tuition.

        •  Makes me glad people like you aren't raising my (0+ / 0-)


          And though I certainly owe you no explanation -- they worked side by side with us, which is OK and requires no work permit.  There were no wages and, yes -- they wanted to stay in the school where they had friends, knew teachers, and were involved in sports and other activities

          I suppose it would have been better to roll over and play dead.  There's a good lesson for the children: Don't try to work through life's problems because you deserve to succeed at anything.


          By the way, those people whose charitable instincts you deride paid for our oldest daughter to go on a class trip to Washington, DC. How many times have you done something like that?  

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          by dinotrac on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 11:51:38 AM PST

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          •  Life's Problems? (0+ / 0-)

            You still haven't answered how old the child was.  In the United States of America in this day and age it is not ethically nor legally considered to be a child's responsibility to learn to "work though" the problems of providing the basics in life for themselves which include food, shelter and education. That is the parent's responsibilities.

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