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  •  They are serving both, as they should (0+ / 0-)

    It's very simple.  If you want your health care plan to cover contraception, then don't work for a company or organization that is sponsored by the Catholic Church.

    Whether you agree with it or not, it is a central tenet of the Church that life begins at conception.  As such, to require the Catholic Church to offer health care plans that are at odds with that tenet is infringement on its religious liberty.

    Look, I'm not going to go to work for a Muslim organization and then bitch that the cafeteria doesn't serve pork or pay me for a holiday on Good Friday. I'm not going to go work for the Brady Foundation and then bitch I can't take my gun into work with me.

    Why people have to make an issue out of nothing is beyond me when there are plenty of real issues out there.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 12:23:53 PM PST

    •  I think this is about more than that (1+ / 0-)
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      An integral part of the Affordable Care Act is the new benefit requiring health plans to cover preventive health care, including cancer screenings, immunizations, and birth control, with no co-pays.  

      Inclusion of these benefits came about through dogged efforts by female legislators, including an amendment authored by Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), known as the Women's Health Amendment. The Department of Health and Human Services, tasked with implementing health reform through regulations and oversight, took the advice of an expert panel of the Institute of Medicine (IOM) and recommended birth control be covered as a women’s preventive service because it is basic health care, and because it improves health outcomes for women and their families.

      If the requirement for coverage of birth control is weakened, nearly one million people (and their dependents) who work at Catholic hospitals would lose benefits they already have. In addition, the approximately two million students and workers now attending universities that have a religious affiliation would also lose this important benefit.  It would mean a further weakening of women's health and one more step toward theocracy. And it would raise health care costs and result in more unintended pregnancies.

      We are not talking about people working in churches here, we are talking about people in hospitals and schools.

      If we allow the government to make exceptions for the Catholic Church we are doing harm to women.

      And some states already require this:

      State supreme courts in California and New York have both found that contraceptive-equity laws with narrower employer exclusions such as the one put forth by HHS, do not substantially burden a religious belief or practice. In a majority opinion in one of the cases, the justices write:

          “[W]hen a religious organization chooses to hire nonbelievers it must, at least to some degree, be prepared to accept neutral regulations imposed to protect those employees’ legitimate interests in doing what their own beliefs permit.”  [Catholic Charities of Albany v. Serio, 859 N.E.2d 459, 468 (N.Y. 2006)].

      Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

      by kimoconnor on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 02:48:01 PM PST

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    •  Hey, let's apply your logic to all laws. We'll (0+ / 0-)

      just let each and every employer decide which laws otherwise applying to employees they will honor.

      That is not the way things work. Religious freedome means that they bishops don't have to belong to or follow the rules of any specific religious organization and that they can follow the rules of theirs. It does not mean that they can impose their superstitions on others against their beliefs, by force or by extortion (hey little girl, want to get/keep your job, eh?).

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 03:50:15 PM PST

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      •  That's just nonsense - 99% of all employers are (0+ / 0-)

        secular. The Catholic Church is not just any employer.  It is a religious entity, and all schools, hospitals, etc. that are run by the Church must abide by its rules.

        I am all for women having access to contraception as they decide for themselves.  But if your decision is that you want access to health care that includes coverage for all contraception methods, including those that are in direct contravention to essential tenets of the Catholic Church, then don't go work for an organization under its umbrella.

        Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

        by absdoggy on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 05:26:02 AM PST

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        •  Wrong-o, they are just any employer. When it (0+ / 0-)

          comes to praying and transubstantiating and preaching, they are special, but when it comes to paying minimum wage, keeping safety exits unlocked, and the like, they are just the same as Joe's Coffee Shoppe.

          Neither the Klan nor the Church gets to determine which laws it will deign to follow.  If the Klan owns a bookstore, and hires a person of color, they must follow the law with respect to that person, and the same with respect to the Church.

          The church gets special treatment for liturgical functions only, and people shouldn't have to go unemployed simply becuase4 superstitious bigots happen to run ahe local hospital. The old "if you don't like it, leave town" doesn't apply to all non-catholics and to backsliding catholics, it applies only to the "we get to create own own laws and ignore all of yours" ideology of the church authorities.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 09:28:20 AM PST

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