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  •  You're jumping into the frying pan here (2+ / 0-)
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    because there are people who see no difference, and who claim there IS no difference.

    You will undoubtedly be bombarded with references to Andrew Jackson and William T. Sherman and other notorious vindictive bigots.

    You may hear some of the ineradicable Conspiracy Theories "proving" that the US Government has an unbroken record of implacable hostility to the original inhabitants.

    You're in for a lot of fun. Not.

    If it's
    Not your body
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    AND it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:39:10 PM PST

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    •  you're wrong on all counts (10+ / 0-)

      You're wrong about what I wrote and you're wrong about what the arguments are about the American genocide.

      But as I said below I was wrong to bring it up here, it's too off topic and needs more room to explore. I agree with the diarist on the subject of his diary and I don't want to change the topic.

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:04:08 PM PST

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      •  "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" (1+ / 0-)
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        This is always true, every time, everywhere, about every subject.

        One invalid assertion can ruin a whole diary - and sometimes has.

        As to something like the "Bush/Blair tribunal story" - geeze, too bad it wasn't an even quasi-reputable outfit. Now nobody's gonna touch it with a 20-foot Lower Slobovian. ;-)

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:11:19 PM PST

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    •  Thought you weren't going to do this anymore. (7+ / 0-)

      Knock it off.  You've proved your ignorance on Native issues several times over already, so why don't you let Carter and fizziks have an adult discussion and quit hijacking it?

      Authentic Native American silverwork, jewelry, photography, and other art here.

      by Aji on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:11:23 PM PST

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      •  Check the thread - Carter hijacked it and apologiz (1+ / 0-)
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        ed for doing to.

        And I refuse to be told that I am "wrong" for repeatedly calling out an unsubstantiated Conspiracy Theory as an unsubstantiated Conspiracy Theory. There should be one rule about that, universally applied, with no exceptions.

        But, again, this is deep meta and really warrants a separate discussion.

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:35:29 PM PST

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        •  No, you seized on opportunity . . . (7+ / 0-)

          to slam the NDNs here over their refutation of your pet CT, and your ridiculous insults leveled at a Native American trained academic and spiritual elder who knows much more about his topics than someone who plays dress-up fake Indian for SCA.  And then you doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and quintupled down on your insulting and rude behavior, both publicly and privately.  So, no, we're not tolerating it without pushback.  Sorry.  You're wrong about us, and every time you bring it up, we'll just reiterate that.  You don't get to take swipes at us via hijacking someone else's diary, and then project with  "Hijack!" at us to try to avoid the repercussions.  Nice additional swipe in Nulwee's diary, BTW.  You're on a roll tonight.  Fitting, on the night before tomorrow's hijack of us on a  national scale.

          Authentic Native American silverwork, jewelry, photography, and other art here.

          by Aji on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:42:06 PM PST

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          •  Let's have a meta pie fight (1+ / 0-)
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            right in the middle of someone else's thread.

            We are arguing about a particular instance that is apparently an old case of the Circle Jerk of Attribution, so old that it is taken as incontrovertible fact. But IF you take the trouble to dig into the primary sources (which I hope you do), I think you will find that Writer A (secondary or tertiary source) combined a factual error with an unsupported allegation, which was disregarded until Writer B (tertiary source) saw it, assumed it must be true because it a) was in print and b) fit so neatly with his own theories, and recycled it. Then Writers C, D and E (more tertiary sources) came along.... You've seen the "Citogenesis" diagrams, I think?.

            By the way, I do not play "dress-up fake Indian" for the SCA or for any other organization. The focus of the SCA is on medieval and Renaissance EUROPEAN history. I do not think there is anyone currently active in the organization who claims to have a Native American persona of any sort whatsoever.

            If it's
            Not your body
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            AND it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 05:12:16 PM PST

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          •  I wish I could rec this several times (2+ / 0-)
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            Aji, no way lack of brain

            My favorite parts:

            No, you seized on opportunity to slam the NDNs here over their refutation of your pet CT, and your ridiculous insults leveled at a Native American trained academic and spiritual elder who knows much more about his topics than someone who plays dress-up fake Indian for SCA.
            Fitting, on the night before tomorrow's hijack of us on a  national scale.

            lol.

            Kinda like the undead.

            Promised to go away but then comes right back.

            (see my comments below)

            •  [Snort] (2+ / 0-)
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              navajo, no way lack of brain

              If my coffee were not still brewing, my laptop would be wearing it.  Undead, indeed. :-D

              Authentic Native American silverwork, jewelry, photography, and other art here.

              by Aji on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 05:31:25 AM PST

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            •  Once something is on the Internet it NEVER dies (0+ / 0-)

              Doesn't matter what it is, doesn't matter who said it, doesn't matter whether it's factual or a grotesque funhouse-mirror distortion - it's out there and it never, never dies.

              Doesn't even matter whether you (generic you) later find out what a total ass you made of yourself and try to apologize - the original crap is still floating around and will sooner or later come back to bite you.

              I notice that you (specific you) NEVER acknowledged this comment:

              By the way, I do not play "dress-up fake Indian" for the SCA or for any other organization. The focus of the SCA is on medieval and Renaissance EUROPEAN history. I do not think there is anyone currently active in the organization who claims to have a Native American persona of any sort whatsoever.

              You not only did not acknowledge it, you REPEATED the bogus crap that someone else (who self-evidently knows absolutely NOTHING about the Society for Creative Anachronism) posted.

              If I choose to consider myself directly and personally insulted - and I do - there is nothing you can do or say that will make it any better. It was too late the instant you hit "Post".

              If it's
              Not your body
              Then it's
              Not your choice
              AND it's
              None of your damn business!

              by TheOtherMaven on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 06:24:14 PM PST

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