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  •  The more I have followed and discussed all (1+ / 0-)
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    of this, the clearer I have become in my own mind that I am a socialist and not an anarchist. The awareness of that raises some very important points for me.

    •  You know, I'm just not surprised to hear that (0+ / 0-)

      I was sensing some tension from you lately, Richard, regarding OWS and structure.

      Totally not surprised. You already know where I stand, I think. Although I will work with people. Providing that I can. Which is usually.

      My SO would classify himself as a "stolid Marxist" FWIW.

      •  I've been in situations in the (1+ / 0-)
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        mental health field and with various types of support groups where there is great value in a non-hierarchical uncontrolling approach. Therefore, I do have an open mind to some of those general notions. However, an attempt to apply such approaches to attacking global problems, strikes me as not one that is worth investing time and energy in.


        •  I'm still at it (0+ / 0-)

          Although it's not what I view as ideal if it's claiming elite bits to it. Again, tyranny of the individual.

          I was a little annoyed to read a twitter post today boldly proclaiming OWS to be a youth movement where anyone not a youth could not participate.

          I didn't even know how to place myself in that statement since I'm not a kid but slightly amorphous, age-wise (in that no one ever has a clue how old I am, not unless I try to impress it on them).

          Also, it just pissed me off. It sounded bratty and privileged. It was exclusive, not inclusive at all.

          That's hardly right.

          But again, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Best as I can tell, this is a better option than nothing, and it's already going besides. The alternatives are abysmal. And at least many of the people involved do not seem to share this exclusive view that I've seen. I continue to support such a movement.

          •  One of the plusses for OWS, unlike the (1+ / 0-)
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            seminal forays in movements of the 60's/70's is that participants/supporters cover the field of age ranges and economic strata and that's been the case from the get go.
            There will still be some who claim otherwise (on Kos, for example, some posters have claimed any reference to 60's activists having anything to do with this makes them want to vomit) but if you've attended any it's clearly the reality.
            The 99% isn't 30 and under by definition.
            There will be a multitude of bogus claims by individuals participating in a genuinely democratic assembly. They don't speak for the assembly necessarily.

          •  As someone who can remember the 60s (1+ / 0-)
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            There was "don't trust anybody over 30".

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