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  •  Well, "greedy" isn't the right word... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...but your compensation seems to matter a lot to you, and you seem to resent your level of compensation as a teacher.  It sounds to me like you at least on some level regret your decision of giving up the big corporate salary, and the comments of your outspoken family friend served as an opportunity to vent your frustrations.

    •  Who wouldn't resent the compensation, (11+ / 0-)

      as compared to the rest of society?

      Does the one-of-ten VPs at the local bank provide more value to the community than teaching hundreds of children science?

      I AM on a "corporate salary", as you call it, and I resent what teachers get paid.

      Your comments are almost wing-nutty.  What exactly is wrong with expecting to be paid even REMOTELY commiserate with your value?

    •  LOL Of course my compensation "matters" to me. (18+ / 0-)

      I really have to ask why is it that we have this expectation that teachers ought to not care about their salaries, like teaching ought to be a profession where we are somehow supposed to be willing to work a lifetime without any thoughts about making a professional salary.  We don't "expect" that of doctors or lawyers or engineers or computer programmers or nurses.  

      No, I did not make the change, because of the change in salary.  I did so in spite of the change, and I certainly do object to anyone calling me "greedy" after having done so.  Wouldn't you?

      Interesting link. And I find it interesting that they felt the need to put it together.

      MYTH: The rewards of working with children make up for low pay.

      FACT:  It is true that most educators decide to enter the teaching profession because of a desire to work with children, but to attract and retain a greater number of dedicated, committed professionals, educators need salaries that are literally "attractive."

          The intrinsic rewards of an education career are often used as a rationale for low salaries. But low teacher pay comes at a very high cost.

          Close to 50 percent new teachers leave the profession during the first five years of teaching, and 37 percent of teachers who do not plan to continue teaching until retirement blame low pay for their decision to leave the profession.

          New teachers are often unable to pay off their loans or afford houses in the communities where they teach. Teachers and education support professionals often work two and three jobs to make ends meet. The stress and exhaustion can become unbearable, forcing people out of the profession to more lucrative positions.

      Of course I'm frustrated with how I see myself and the incredible professionals I have the priviledge of working with working their hearts out for our students ... with the majority of them working weekends at second jobs (especially those who are single parents) ... and then, hear them getting attacked for being "greedy" of all things! It's like a page straight out of the Karl Rove playbook.

      Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

      by bkamr on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 12:55:12 AM PST

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      •  Good/experienced teachers deserve to be (8+ / 0-)

        compensated on a par with any other crucial and highly trained profession in this country.  

        You educate the future generation. You are on the front lines of kids lives.....  the value of a good teacher is right up there with a good doctor, good parent, good legislator.

        In addition to being highly paid, you should also get a good benefits pkg and retirement plan.

        My g-grandmother, both grands, both parents, and my daughter were all teachers. It's brutally hard, and emotional work much of the time. All the folks/children/circumstances that we read about in the news.... the good/bad and the ugly....  those are the parents and students that teachers deal with every single day. Mad love and kudos to you all!!!!      :)

        Bloody hell, you should be worried about your compensation. Teaching should be a job of dedication, but that doesn't have to mean you should be broke, much less happy about it!

        Personhood Advocates, Forced Birthers, and GOP policies, ensure that for many, quality of life begins at conception and ends at birth...

        by Lucy2009 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 01:42:55 AM PST

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        •  Thank you. It isn't an either or situation and I (10+ / 0-)

          agree with you in rejecting the frame that goes:

          Either you don't care about being decently compensated or you are aren't a dedicated teacher.  

          What complete BS.  I am a VERY dedicated teacher AND I think teachers deserve to be paid a decent, professional salary.

          And, it frustrates me that teachers are being attacked for being "greedy" when quite the opposite is true.  Seriously.  We don't expect nurses to pitch in $1000's of dollars of their own money to buy plastic gloves and syringes, so our hospitals can continue to function, and we don't expect them not to want to be paid a professional wage for their services ... yet one would hope this is a profession that has people in it who have a special dedication for what they do, too.  And no, this analogy is not meant to be pitting one professional group against another.  My point is that it would be unthinable to expect this from our wonderful nurses and it should be outrageous for teachers, as well.

          Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

          by bkamr on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 02:56:34 AM PST

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    •  How exactly (8+ / 0-)

      would you discuss the topic of greed without talking about salaries?

      You seem to read a lot that isn't there into some very plain and logical wording.

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