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  •  The anti-apartheid divestment movement was ... (14+ / 0-)

    ...confrontational and "clenched-fist" in attitude, too. And that was a fight we won, part of the international effort that brought the regime in Pretoria down.

    The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

    by Meteor Blades on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 07:38:45 PM PST

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    •  True... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...but that was one of the very few wins we had between 1968 and 2008. It required concerted international effort, and it took twenty years.

      But why go to the barricades when all we need are ballots? We just need to:

      1) Replace some Republicans with conservative Democrats
      2) Replace some Conservative Democrats with Liberal Democrats.

      We need to craft messages that will speak to middle-class families. We need to focus on:

      1) How too-big-to-fail banks weaken America internationally
      2) How Wall Street greed is poisoning America's work ethic
      3) How soulless Corporate greed is anti-Christian
      4) How "The CEOs ride in the wagon, but the 99% pull the wagon".
      5) How Wall Street takes our tax money (our tax money!!!) and uses it to pay bonuses.

      I have seen many posters that seem to be crafted by kids for kids. That's great...it is much better than nothing. But here is a challenge: Show us something that will move a Soccer Mom or a NASCAR Dad.  They both got screwed by Wall Street...let's see something that can win them over.

      There will be no change until we do.

      •  I disagree that all we need are ballots... (11+ / 0-)

        ...That goes against every reform movement that has ever been successful in America. Yes, we need ballots. In a representative "democracy," we have to choose politicians who will move in the direction of reforms that we desire.

        But we also need a movement that explains your points and a whole lot more to those over-stretched soccer moms and out-of-work young graduates and foreclosed-upon home"owners" and savings-poor fiftysomethings. That requires making clear how and why we've arrived at our current destination and who got us here. As long as the megamedia are in the hands of the puppetmasters, which, sadly, includes a lot of those conservative Democrats and even some of those liberal Democrats you want to cast ballots for.

        There is then the third leg. We need to exert power in one of the few ways left to us when corporations are people, corporate money dominates politics and most of the media only tell the truth by accident. Street power should not be tossed aside as some ridiculous, unworkable throwback. It has repeatedly made a difference, including in the 1960s and 1980s, though neither time did we get all we wanted, far from it. But the abolitionist Frederick Douglass famously wrote something that is still true:

        “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

        I am not arguing for armament and I am not arguing for a third party. But the guys in charge don't believe in democracy. They subvert it at every opportunity, brazenly and subtly. The notion that all it will take is a few elections to straighten this out is illusory. With respect, it's my view that arguing in favor of an all-ballots approach to political change is arguing for no change at all.

        The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

        by Meteor Blades on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 12:01:34 AM PST

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        •  I think we agree. (0+ / 0-)

          I am not against "street power"...I'll always recognize the need for a wide variety of options. Street action is especially good for forcing media coverage.

          My only criticism on this thread is with the framing of the message -- specifically Communist and "V for Vendetta" imagery in posters and slogans.

          I'm sorry that I've found myself writing so much on something so simple: I just think we need to use less red-and-black and more red-white-and-blue on our posters.

          We also need to ask ourselves: How do we activate middle-class voters? I'm asking creative types to think of some posters and slogans to carry that message. Somehow I don't think a clenched fist is going to move anyone out of the Wal-Mart Black Friday line.

          Occupy Wall Street is in-line with traditional American values. OWS is fighting to preserve the American dream and -- more than any other current movement -- embodies American ideals of Justice, Fairness, Accountability, and Honesty. Why do we not embrace this?

          I'm asking that we consider looking more like Norman Rockwell and less like Malcolm X.

          These are just suggestions. I'm not down at Zucotti Park getting rained on, so my moral authority here is limited. I'm just trying to help.

        •  wow, Amen to your comment, (0+ / 0-)

          and what a terrific quote from Frederick Douglass, especially this part:

          The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

          That is so very much the truth.

          This is a fantastic diary and it comes with great comments. Thank you and much respect for your work and your words.

      •  twenty years (1+ / 0-)
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        in social change terms isn't much.  

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 10:33:58 AM PST

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