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  •  What's there to fight over? (2+ / 0-)
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    ozsea1, icemilkcoffee

    Colonies? Is anyone going to waylay or blockade cargo or oil-tanker ships?

    Where's the ideology of expansion or rollback? Where's the tense, Berlin-type flashpoint?

    Cheap solar arrives in ten or twenty years, and with newtech batteries or hydrogen fuel cells, ends the geopolitics of oil. And if carbon nanotube materials mature then, well that's the end of scarcity and Patriarchy with it.

    But I'm quite ignorant really- how'm I wrong here?

    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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      mookins, Betty Pinson
      The causes of hostility among nations are innumerable. There are some which have a general and almost constant operation upon the collective bodies of society. Of this description are the love of power or the desire of pre-eminence and dominion -- the jealousy of power, or the desire of equality and safety. There are others which have a more circumscribed though an equally operative influence within their spheres. Such are the rivalships and competitions of commerce between commercial nations. And there are others, not less numerous than either of the former, which take their origin entirely in private passions; in the attachments, enmities, interests, hopes, and fears of leading individuals in the communities of which they are members. Men of this class, whether the favorites of a king or of a people, have in too many instances abused the confidence they possessed; and assuming the pretext of some public motive, have not scrupled to sacrifice the national tranquillity to personal advantage or personal gratification.

      Federalist No 6

      •  Ah hell with it, you're right. (1+ / 0-)
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        Take 9/11, for instance- we played our Great Game for decades in Arab nations, competed for influence and control over oil commerce, out of a feeling of love of power, the desire for that feeling of greatness, and the fear of it being threatened. Oh we dressed it up as democracy, just as Bin Laden dressed it up as spirituality, but it's personal gratification all round.

        That, and control of resources- and after oil, it'll be lithium or who knows what else.

        •  consider this: (1+ / 0-)
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          it is possible to have a situation where individual actors in an economic system do things that, for each of them, represent perfect economic rationality...even as their collective actions become highly destructive.

          some of that is the great game, as it has been since the times of the hudson's bay co. or the dutch east india co.

          "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

          by fake consultant on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 11:09:03 PM PST

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      •  well said... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but hamilton/madison, et al did forget to include miscalculation and misunderstanding as other big reasons for the disturbance of various national tranquilities.

        "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

        by fake consultant on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 10:41:55 PM PST

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