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  •  I am already sick of OWS (2+ / 0-)
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    loveistheanswer, EdMass

    For the following reasons

    You have no leadership that makes concrete proposals.  Somewhere along the line, OWS became more interested in OWS than the 99%.  Rather than regarding its increasingly ineffective means of organization as an impediment to achieving real goals,  OWS actually regards it as an end in itself.

    A new model for the reorganization of society.

    I, along with the vast majority of the 99%, are not interested in reorganizing society.

    When I and others point this out, we are either enjoined to come on down to GA.  We don't want to participate in OWS. We are partisan reform Democrats.  

    When we point this out, we are often attacked in the most juvenile and dishonest manner.  No one calls-out these purile attacks.  Many support them.

    This is not a way to win people over to your cause.

    All this makes me neutral about OWS. The thing that makes me sick of it is how OWS supporters come here, to this partisan Dem reform blog, proudly proclaim they are not Democrats and then accuse those critical of OWS as trying to 'co-opt' their 'movement."

    While the truth is, they are trying to co-opt this site.

    •  Not reccing your comment (0+ / 0-)

      but...I mean, when someone came into a thread and strated talking about getting rid of capitalism or some such nonsense, I did have to let them have it...I mean, come ON!

      But...I guess I am asking what type of reforms do YOU want?

      (I do agree with you that it is time to set down some goals or achievements or even doing a "vision statement" or something like that.

      Calling for constitutional amendments and holding the threat of an artcle 5 convention is, I submit, something pretty concrete, though.

      The thing is to do what you say, in that regard.

      •  "Vote Democrat" (0+ / 0-)

        That is what I have to say.

        •  "Vote Democrat" (1+ / 0-)
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          does not and will not solve the problems of the vast income disparities and unequal access of coporations government officials.

          •  That is (1+ / 0-)
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            simply voting Democratic is not sufficient.

          •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

            "Vote Democrat" is necessary, not sufficient.

            Meaning, first we all agree on that.
            Then we talk turkey.

            I am sick of OWS, because many argue we should not vote Dem.

            That is unacceptable.

            Remember Nader? I do.

            •  I do, I voted for Nader (0+ / 0-)

              in Illinois, that is.

              I actually do like the fact that OWS is (thus far, anyway) non-partisan.

              If "we" all must agree on that necessity, then no deal, I will vote for who I damn well please.

              And even though Hard core Dems nmight say that it's necessary and not sufficient, I don't believe a word that the Democrats say on the matter.

              The Democrats aren't much different from the Republicans in the sense that they want power.

              I don't owe the dems my vote. It's the Dems job to earn my vote. Dems aren't entitled to it.

              •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

                I am fine with OWS being non-partisan. The SCLC was non-partisan. Unlike the SCLC, though, OWS is leaderless and is not putting forth concrete proposals.  That is the problem.

                I also agree that you don't owe Dems your vote.  But, IMO, you do owe them your vote as a Kossack because this is a partisan Dem reform blog.

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