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  •  what kills me is (23+ / 0-)

    that even if they're being cynical, it's not going to buy them a single vote they'd have gotten otherwise, as far as I know.


    "... a disciplined minority of totalitarians can use the instruments of democratic government to undermine democracy itself." -- Hannah Aredt, regarding the behavior of the National Socialist (NAZI) Party in the Reichstag in the Weimar Republic.

    by billlaurelMD on Tue Nov 29, 2011 at 03:50:22 PM PST

    •  They think fighting and confrontation is losing (9+ / 0-)

      Really.  The Man went to DC to be above it all.  They think making a deal is success, no matter what the deal actually is.

      Never in my life could I have believed that this term could be such a fucking nightmare.  Oh my god, make it stop.

    •  Are there Catholic hospitals... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that provide a higher level of charity care than for-profit hospitals that may get out of the business if they have to provide birth control and emergency contraception?

      If these hospitals are shut down, or more likely sold to less charitable for-profit companies, could this cause a backlash that the Administration fears?

      It does seem strange for the Administration even to be discussing this just for "first order" political reasons.

      •  Absolutely. (0+ / 0-)

        This is exactly what the Bishops have been telling the Administration. Not some Catholic hospitals; all of them. Good luck to the Administration once that happens. I'm sure so many people will be happy once they have to travel farther in an emergency or not be able to receive care at all at a corporate hospital.

        •  But would they all close if the Bishops say so? (1+ / 0-)
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          I've read enough complaints on Life Site, etc. about fake Catholic hospitals that are avoiding the Bishops rules. Judging by the nurses strikes when the bean counters try to make things unsafe & doctors fighting back when insurance companies deny coverage, enough healthcare providers would be more committed to their communities than the bishops that it would be problematical for the bishops to do what they threaten. The bishops can clamp down on individual cases, but if there's a united push back maybe they wouldn't.

          Also, many "Catholic" hospitals are only relatively recently "Catholic", because of buy-outs & mergers. So they have staff that isn't Catholic, or less hardcore Catholic.

          What would happen is not something one could know ahead of time, unfortunately. But I think the danger is not as large as is portrayed. Rather I think it's something (to go OT) similar to "weapons of mass distruction". The scare tactic of "all these hospitals WILL CLOSE" is being used because it's a convient cover for the real reason (which would have something to do with money). For instance, I don't think the Bishops are the actual CEOs of the hospitals in all or even most cases.

          Giving birth (giving life) should be a gift not an obligation or women and poor people are 2nd class by definition

          by julifolo on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:11:58 AM PST

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          •  They may not be the CEO, but they still own it. (0+ / 0-)

            In many cases, the hospital is directly owned either by the Bishop, a trustee of the Bishop, or some other agency of the Diocese itself, over which the Bishop has immediate control, given that he is the Bishop. That means he has the power to shut them down. In cases where the hospital is owned by others, the Bishop wouldn't have this power, but he could certainly revoke the hospital's right to call itself Catholic any longer.

            So, yes, every Catholic hospital will close if the Bishops feel it is warranted. It is simply a matter of which hospitals might no longer be Catholic; those might remain open, but they won't remain Catholic. I suspect there wouldn't be too many such cases.

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