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  •  I think I need to make this more clear, aside from (0+ / 0-)

    primarying or replacing Obama, because that's a solution without a real answer, I want members on this community to offer a detailed plan of some sorts.  I think if we all put our brains together, we could come up with a solution.  I am not going to part take in this "lesser of two evils" argument.  I already had a bad argument with both a conservative and Libertarian friends today arguing why Obama needs to go and that the whole "inherited this mess" argument doesn't work any more.  My Libertarian friend said that all his accomplishments were "horrible" and I get tired of having to defend my views to him.  Everyone from all sides, right, left, middle and Libertarian are frustrating me and none of them have been able to talk me out of voting for Obama.  And do you know why?  Because conservatives are ALWAYS UNITED TO VOTE.  ALWAYS.  Liberals feel like finding a primary challenger or sitting out the vote is a good way to get a message across but it usually backfires.  Plus they then resort to the "lesser of two evils" argument and I just won't accept that argument.  Libertarians believe all government is evil and no matter how educated they are, their ideas are still crazy.  Centrists annoy me because they don't want to be labelled as conservative or liberal.  Have I been disappointed with Obama?  Yes, but do I feel he shouldn't be re-elected in 2012?  No.  We have a chance to take back congress and build our majority in the Senate.  Lets please not blow this.  And yes it has been three years, but of course my Libertarians and conservative friend that the economy would be improving if we just cut spending.  That of course I don't agree with.  So please guys, lets put aside generic suggestions and come up with an effective strategy here.

    •   if we all put our brains together for a solution (0+ / 0-)

      Heh, grass roots.

      Too many people put most of their energy into elections, or stuff relating to elections. I think there should be equal energy putting pressure on issues year-round.

      The thing I hate about elections is that the bulk of the money collect goes for advertising buys. Election advertising siphones progressive money into the hands of conservatives, who own the big media. Conservative advertising is just money changing hands between conservatives. So any election is a net monetary loss for progressives. Isn't that silly?

      The boss needs you, you don't need him. -- France general strike, May 1968

      by stargaze on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:24:21 AM PST

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      •  I hear ya. The other thing I hate is the average (1+ / 0-)
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        voters consistent ability to be duped by stupid and false attack ads.  Attack ads and advertising time are very expensive and when one candidate can't meet the same fundraising numbers because his or her opponent is being funded by big business or special interest, good candidates have to resort to shady money sources and various PACs and special interest groups for help.  It's so sad that we live in a time where so much information is available to us yet your average voter will vote not based on facts but with their feelings because some attack ad struck and emotional chord with them.

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