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  •  Is anyone watching the Tv show Homeland? (8+ / 0-)

    (I posted this question at the end of a similar, very long thread - but it was so late nobody replied, but I REALLY would be interested in feedback)

    I don't have cable and even if I did I wouldn't watch it as the show's creators were involved one of the most evil and unconstitutional pieces of propaganda in modern times "24".

    But if my suspicions are correct, "Homeland" is the kind of covert propaganda that would be encouraging these sorts of moves to undermine the Constitution for the sake of 'security'.

    (as far as I know, Homeland is about a US soldier who when captured is 'turned' by Islamic fundamentalists (can't remember if its in Iraq or Afghanistan). He returns to the US as a war 'hero' but a (I think) CIA agent is convinced he is a terrorist mole but is constrained by the darned old rule of law from being able to really go after him).

    •  I Am Watching It And I Think What You Are (4+ / 0-)

      worried about isn't what is happening in the show. There has been no torture, unless you count loud music and keeping somebody awake. And she can't do what she wants, cause well it is against the law. And we don't even know if they guy is a terrorist yet :). All in all it is a darn good show IMHO.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 12:45:12 PM PST

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    •  Don't watch teeve, but "Homeland" (13+ / 0-)

      the word itself makes me want to retch.  It's a thinly veiled smear against anyone not born in this country, as far as I'm concerned.

      Sarah Palin: all pistol and no squint.

      by CanyonWren on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 12:50:53 PM PST

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    •  I Didn't Want To Watch/Like The Show (3+ / 0-)

      Since as you said he was developed by the same folks that did 24. But it is kind of not what you think. Just a couple points:

      1. The main CIA has some mental disorder and may in fact be "crazy." She steals pills to take for the condition so she doesn't have to get a prescription where the CIA would know.

      2. Everybody but her, well they all want to obey the law. And thus far obeying the law had allowed them to capture the terrorist before they could do anything.

      3. When the agent finds out the solider is a Muslim, they kind of treat it all with respect. He says something like he was in a hole and being tortured for like seven years and he needed something to embrace so he could survive, and well there were not a lot of Bibles laying around.

      4. In the last show the US bombs the terrorist house that held him, killing his son and a lot of other children. I almost felt sorry for him.

      It is actually a pretty complex show and I don't even know where it is going. But you don't get any of the stuff you got in 24.

      If you have any questions, let me know. I've kind of become addicted to the show :).

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 12:59:35 PM PST

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      •  Like I said, I don't have cable so (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't have the opportunity to see it yet - so I can only raise these possibilities in THEORY....

        But it's pretty common for creators of narratives to use anti-heroes or even villains as the ones audiences ultimately sympathize with.

        In "24", actually, Jack was presented as flawed, disturbed, dangerous and a criminal but he was still sympathetic, he didn't torture people because he WANTED to, he did iir because he HAD to to protect us at the COST of his own sanity/freedom (whatever).

        Actually, in season 2 (I watched 24 till season 3 before I caught onto what their agenda was) the villains were right-wingers who planned to set off a nuclear bomb as a false flag operation which they could use as a pretext to declare war.

        While this may SEEM to put the show into a progressive light, the fact is Jack STILL needs to torture people in order to defeat this plot - therefore presenting a false argument that torture 'works'.

        So IMHO, the show was trying to appeal to the gut instinct of progressives in order to fool them into forgetting the logical basis of the constitution provision against cruel & unusual punishment.

        Ultimately with a show like this, you cannot be distracted by characters being given good or bad qualities and look at the ultimate argument that's being made.

        With 24, Jacks' illegal tactics were always ULTIMATELY validated. With this show, its a matter if whether they are possibly over-emphasizing the danger of islamic terrorism and/or if our current civil rights are presented as impediments to catching these terrorists.

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