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  •  That's an exaggeration (0+ / 0-)

    The officers did not "charge" demonstrators on horseback; they used horses to guard right-of-way.  One woman may have suffered injured toes from the horses.  Thats' all.

    I'm sorry your son was injured.  What was he doing at the time?

    •  There's footage on youtube. (0+ / 0-)

      At least two cops charged them.  I know horses; I know charging.  This was charging.  Not an exaggeration.

      My son was protesting in support of the Occupiers.  He was no threat.  Intentionally no threat.  It didn't matter.

      •  I've seen the YouTube footage (0+ / 0-)

        One woman says her foot was stepped on; there's no evidence of "trampling."  Isaiah Thompson, City Paper:

        Last night, though, was Ramsey's biggest test. This reporter observed easily over one hundred police officers deployed to clear out Occupy Philly. A show of numbers, but not so much force: By 3 a.m. or so, there had been only six arrests (police would eventually arrest 52 people, most of those at the end of the night).

        As Occupiers, chased from Rittenhouse Square after being evicted from Dilworth Plaza, began to march down Center City streets, they found themselves outnumbered and outmaneuvered — but not stopped — by police, who were ready with barricades at nearly every turn. At several points early on, police could easily have penned the group in  — but did not, allowing it, seemingly on purpose, to continue peacefully marching.

        Key to last night's police strategy were bicycle-mounted officers, who followed the crowd everywhere it went, flanking its sides and bringing up the rear. From what this reporter saw, these officers were non-confrontational and professional.

        That's not to say there weren't confrontations, and Occupy Philadelphia's Facebook page today contains numerous complaints of aggressive police behavior and at least one injury: a woman's toes were apparently broken when they were stomped on by a horse. One YouTube video features Occupier "Joshua" claiming, among other things, that a civil affairs officer choked him. (In fact, the mounted unit's sudden appearance startled many in the crowd, including this reporter, who ducked as a horse suddenly charged by. Unlike the bicycle-mounted police presence, the horses immediately unnerved and frightened the crowd — which grew immediately calmer as soon as they fell back and allowed the bike-mounted police to continue their low-key tailgate).

        •  Interestingly, your CityPaper cite also says... (0+ / 0-)
          a horse suddenly charged by.

          ABC6's footage also shows a cop urging his horse into a canter toward the crowd, not an appropriate way to maintain order but a way to intimidate.  The footage on Youtube of the mounted cops shows the horses balking, rearing, resisting the kicks in the flanks to urge them forward.  These are horses presumably trained for crowd control, and they -- the horses -- knew they were being propelled to an inappropriate use, endangering the horses and the people.

          My son was not where the bike cops set up barricades with their bikes.  Perhaps that's why the cops felt the need to swing the bikes to "redirect" them in another direction.  The accounts of this particular type of action were in catilinus's diary last night.  In the end, I trust my son's account; he had no need or motive to lie.

          •  Here's a video of the woman (0+ / 0-)

            I have horses.

            If they step on my foot, they're not trampling me.  

            But they are injuring me.

            They weight 1200 lbs.

            "Pleasing everyone is impossible; p*$$*#@ everyone off is easy"

            by marigold on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 02:32:31 PM PST

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