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  •  If they didn't have nicotine (2+ / 0-)
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    SwedishJewfish, technomage

    I would agree with you.   However replacing one nicotine vector with another is not going to save very many lives.  Nicotine is a highly destructive poison that causes serious problems for your health.  Back in the late 80's big tobacco released non tobacco cigarettes, the taste was similar to a generic cigarette.  The argument was that people could step down to them to ween themselves off of smoking.  They were a failure and were abandoned.  No one bought them.

    I am not arguing for legislation.   I am simply pointing out that these manufacturers are misleading people about the health effects and risks of nicotine.  This is not a safe way to enjoy the drug, the drug is the problem.

    As to your loved one, help them quit.  There is no other way, I've been there done that and have the shirt.  It's hard, painful and can lead to a lot of fights, but in the end you have to decide if you can sit by and watch someone slowly commit suicide.

    We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Ben Franklin

    by DanD on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 08:04:48 AM PST

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    •  DanD we may have posted at the same time (7+ / 0-)

      but I also responded that the nicotine is optional, and you can use it in varying amounts. I do understand that nicotine is extremely harmful, especially with it's affect on the cardiovascular system. I would never advocate long term usage of any nicotine product. However if used in a step-down method similar to the patches and gum, I think it would be incredible effective and have a much better success rate since it would eliminate the psychological hurdle that can often be just as potent as the physiological one.

      R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
      October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

      by SwedishJewfish on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 08:17:22 AM PST

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      •  I'm an concerned about the people that (0+ / 0-)

        seem to believe there is no risk and that it's a safe alternative to smoking.  And that is the story that these manufacturers are pushing to people.  As long as you are aware, I will not fault you.   It's a hard beast to slay, but it gets better with time.  

        We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Ben Franklin

        by DanD on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 11:42:59 AM PST

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    •  Not misleading people (3+ / 0-)
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      They do not bill themselves as a way to quit nicotine.

      •  Social Media they do (0+ / 0-)

        They are astute companies.  Astro Turf doesn't only apply to GOP Candidates, corporations participate in it as well.

        We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Ben Franklin

        by DanD on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 11:46:20 AM PST

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    •  0mg are amazing. (7+ / 0-)

      I enjoy an e-cig so I can participate in social smoking and because it's fun and tasty. Like many many people at the forum none of the products I use have any nicotine.

      The tobacco free thing from the 80 probably tasted bad, the ability to customize the flavor (rich cream is my favorite) provides and experience that's very appealing.

      I was very close to starting smoking again after five years clean, I'd have one now and then and it was creeping up.

      I saw this product and now I turn to it instead and I have no desire to touch another cigarette.

      As for "advertising" did I mention you can make these yourself? Takes a little research but it's not that hard, or buy a model from one of the many "modders" out there support a non-corporate network of small business. I think that's something most people here can relate to.

    •  I am vaping rght now... (7+ / 0-)

      I have smoked cigarettes for 35 plus years at about a pack a day.  I have tried to quit too many times to count.  I have said that when they hit a dollar a pack, then two dollars a pack.....  nothing has worked.  I have tried gum, patches, pills and nothng has worked.  I have not smoked a"real" cigarette now for 18 days and I am feeling very confident that I will nevr smoke another cigarette again, ever.  

      Every other time I have tried to quit, I longed for a cigarette... constantly.  This time, I am not.

      Let's say, I never stop "vaping" with nicotine e-liquid (even though I hope I do), are you saing that this was a failure?  You are wrong! For one thing, I am no longer polluting my friends and family with second hand smoke.  Two, I am getting no additional nicotine but I am getting none of the other harmful chemicals such as tar, carbon monoxide, insecticides, etc... Three, I can breath better already, I can taste better, my clothes don't stink my breath don't stink, my teeth are not getting yellow (as well as my windshield, my walls, my fingers, etc...).  

      Who are you to say I (or anyone else) have failed?  Best is the enemy of better.  E-cigarttes are not the best solution but they are definitely better than the hundreds of thousands of "real" cigarettes I have smoked in my lifetime and you have no right to tell us we have failed if we do not quit completey by whatever time frame you establish.  

      Take your judgemental, holier-than-thou comments somewhere else and suck on them. You'll probably find them toxic as well... I certainly do.

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 02:02:05 PM PST

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