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  •  He has a 3-year old daughter (44+ / 0-)

    with a terminal illness. He acknowledges that she will die young, but when asked why he continues to be on the road 24/7 campaigning for president as opposed to spending time with her, his answer is that he owes it to her to lead America, something like that. Just disgusting.

    •  He could always postpone his leadership efforts (11+ / 0-)

      ... on her behalf.  As a parent, just saying that's what comes to my mind.

      Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

      by bkamr on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 10:21:22 AM PST

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    •  It might be that his faith tells him (3+ / 0-)
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      he will meet her the next perfect life and so her time here, though short and difficult, is nothing compared to the service of his faith which will allow them to rejoin in his faith's eternal paradise. It's very sad for her in this life though. And since we've yet to prove there is an afterlife of any sort (faith, belief, and wishful thinking aside), she's missing out on his love and attention here and now. He may also be avoiding the pain of eventually losing her by hiding in his campaign and his faith.

      No so disgusting as sad... very sad no matter how you slice it.

      •  We've actually proven that there is (0+ / 0-)

        no afterlife. Scientifically, consciousness is rooted (somehow) in the brain. When the brain dies, consciousness is forever lost. Any counter to this is rooted in mysticism, or in the least non-scientific wishful thinking.  

        •  Einstein... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...believed in an afterlife.  He stated that energy can be neither created nor destroyed.  It can only change forms.

          •  No, he never said he believed in (2+ / 0-)
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            an afterlife. Not in anything I've ever read. He believed in some supreme being. Possibly. He never went to any organized religious services, and certainly believed in no religion. If you think he believed in an afterlife, provide a link.

            And the conservation of energy existed before Einstein was even born, and like all physicists he subscribed to it. It has nothing to do with an afterlife, of course.

            •  Besides for the most part Jews (1+ / 0-)
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              don't believe in an afterlife. It would not have been part of his upbringing.

              I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

              by samddobermann on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 07:30:05 AM PST

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    •  what?! Are you serious? He's got a dying 3 year (16+ / 0-)

      old?

      OMG.

      Wow. So...wife is at home watching their child die while he's out miserably losing a bid for the GOP nomination?

      Wow. I'm speechless.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 10:48:43 AM PST

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      •  Look up the concession speech pic from 2006. (5+ / 0-)

        He trotted his whole sorry brood up on stage. The kids look horrified, and one little girl is crying her eyes out. That's family values, tm, right there.

        How many divisions does OWS have?

        by Diebold Hacker on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 11:25:23 AM PST

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        •  Even more f**ked up (11+ / 0-)

          is when his wife had a miscarriage (or the baby died shortly after being born). They brought the dead child home with them and let the other kids hold it & play with it. I can understand having a religious service or a wake but bringing it home for the kids to play with? That's just fucking creepy!

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          by METAL TREK on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 11:34:59 AM PST

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          •  What!?!?!!! nt (6+ / 0-)
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            I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

            by mdmslle on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 12:23:12 PM PST

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            •  Karen Santorum describes the incident (7+ / 0-)

              in her book.  IMO, this entire family is in desperate need of professional help.

              Wiki entry:

              In 1996, their son Gabriel Michael was born prematurely and lived for only two hours (a sonogram taken before Gabriel was born revealed that his posterior urethral valve was closed and that the prognosis for his survival was therefore poor). While pregnant, Karen Santorum developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant and allowed doctors to give her Oxytocin to speed the birth.

              Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum. In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital. The anecdote was also written about by Michael Sokolove in a 2005 New York Times Magazine story on Santorum.

              May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

              by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 12:28:49 PM PST

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              •  Jeezus-fucking-shit. nt (2+ / 0-)
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                I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

                by mdmslle on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 02:00:58 PM PST

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              •  Those kids are fucked for life. (5+ / 0-)

                Im wondering: just fucking what they said to those other young children when they carted the dead baby home? I can only imagine the sickening shit they said. And how those kids must now feel about god, their own life, the future. Jesus fuck this is sick.

                Then, what, they slept with the baby too? Seriously this is just beyond imaginable. Just inconceivable. Who could even think up something so bizarre? Jeezus.

                I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

                by mdmslle on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 02:07:50 PM PST

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                •  And yet, Santorum continues to hit the (3+ / 0-)
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                  road with his doomed presidential campaign.

                  Wiki entry:

                  Santorum and his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, have seven children: Elizabeth Anne (born 1991); Richard John ("Johnny"), Jr. (born 1993); Daniel James (born 1995); Sarah Maria (born 1998); Peter Kenneth (born 1999); Patrick Francis (born 2001); and Isabella "Bella" Maria (born 2008). Bella was subsequently diagnosed with Trisomy 18, a serious genetic disorder which is fatal before birth in 90 per cent of cases.

                  Santorum is not only a dangerous zealot, he is also, IMO, an abusive and negligent parent.

                  May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

                  by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 02:17:21 PM PST

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                  •  Difficult to comprehend (3+ / 0-)
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                    what this was like for the children.

                    Damn, forget for a moment, they (Rick & Karen Santorum) brought home a deceased baby. This baby was premature. Right?
                    In fact, nearly 20 weeks premature as Karen Santorum had  labor induced at the 20th week.

                    A deceased baby that had only 20 weeks to develop is brought home and introduced to your children. Then, if all that was not enough, they kept the dead baby home overnight and returned it the next day to the hospital.

                    Morbid is the first thing that comes to mind when I think what was pepetrated on these kids.

                    Although more than a few years have passed since this horror; the one thing that should not pass is the act of cruelty subjected on the children.

                    I do not subscribe to any religion and do not pray. Perhaps I should at the very least start paraying for Jesus to protect my family and fellow humans from Christian zealots like Santorum.

                    "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

                    by wxorknot on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 03:56:58 PM PST

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                    •  I'm not a religious person either and (1+ / 0-)
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                      certainly not a Bible scholar, but I doubt that there is a religious/Catholic precedent for this bizarre and gruesome act.

                      I also agree that the children in this family were subjected to emotional abuse and a kind of cruelty which is hard to put in words.

                      If Santorum had not been in a position to commit this potentially unlawful act of removing the remains from the hospital, my guess is that hospital administrators would have called the cops and/or a social worker.

                      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

                      by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 04:21:02 PM PST

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                  •  unfortunately fertile. n/t (0+ / 0-)

                    I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

                    by samddobermann on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 07:33:00 AM PST

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              •  Idiosyncrasies? (6+ / 0-)

                Hell, we all have them. Some more so than others, it's a given.

                In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital.
                This, on the other hand crosses into a territory so alien, the script reads like a scene from a horror film.

                Something is way wrong here. A genuine WTF moment to be sure.

                "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

                by wxorknot on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 02:12:09 PM PST

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                •  Yes, so very wrong... (4+ / 0-)
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                  The first time I read this some time ago, I wondered how in the hell they were permitted to leave the hospital with the remains of their son.

                  As I said, this entire family needs professional help and Rick Santorum needs to take responsibility for the welfare of his family.

                  May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

                  by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 02:21:18 PM PST

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                  •  I have always wondered about the ages of the (1+ / 0-)
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                    children that were exposed to that.  It is hard enough for parents (most adults) to come to grips with a premature birth and death, but to impose that burden on your other young children is something that just shouldn't be done.  Little kids just don't understand.

                    This whole thing just makes me ill.

                    "If you're in trouble, or hurt or need - go to the poor people. They're the only ones that'll help - the only ones." John Steinbeck

                    by BluejayRN on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 05:21:07 PM PST

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                    •  The Santorums have a young (2+ / 0-)
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                      daugher with a terminal illness and Santorum has made comments about his decision to run for president at this time.

                      This is a link (reposted) to today's interview (vid) with Amanpour about the issue:

                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

                      The linked article also includes an excerpt from a WaPo story about his appearance in October at a RW event where he says that he wants to run for president because he believes that socialized medicine would not cover the medical expenses of the daughter who is now dying.

                      Santorum is a truly disturbed man who appears to be unable to face his responsibilities as a parent.

                      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

                      by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 07:18:59 PM PST

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                •  Exactly! That's it! Horror film. Bingo! nt (3+ / 0-)
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                  I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

                  by mdmslle on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 02:30:01 PM PST

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          •  He and his wife slept with it. n/t (0+ / 0-)

            I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

            by samddobermann on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 07:31:03 AM PST

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    •  He may need the money. I'm guessing he's not (1+ / 0-)
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      really qualified for an actual job, so he's got to go out and give speeches, etc.
      I don't suppose he could steer political donations to her care, but he can get paid to give speeches.

      •  Yes, it could be for the money, but (0+ / 0-)

        he is a lawyer which last time I checked, is a fairly lucrative profession.

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 04:40:50 PM PST

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        •  Lucrative? (1+ / 0-)
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          Only if you're competent. I suspect he may be as incompetent in that as he appears to be in anything else.

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          by Spoc42 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 06:34:40 AM PST

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          •  You could be right but he does appear (0+ / 0-)

            to have a day job and will probably go back to Fox.

            Wiki entry:

            In March 2007, Santorum joined the law firm Eckert Seamans Cherin & Mellott, LLC. He practiced law in the firm’s Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C., offices, where he provided business and strategic counseling services to the firm's clients. In addition to his work with the firm, Santorum has served as a Senior Fellow with the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C., and was a contributor to Fox News Channel.

            His wife, Karen, is also a practicing attorney with an office in Herndon, VA.

            May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 07:12:55 AM PST

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    •  You are shitting me (3+ / 0-)
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      I am very sorry for the family on many levels.

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      by Bionic on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 11:50:14 AM PST

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    •  Vid from today's interview with (1+ / 0-)
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      Amanpour:

      Rick Santorum talks about his Daughter, Bella

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      There is also an excerpt from Washington Post article re his October appearance at a RW event.  He is quoted as justifying his campaign because of...the possibility of socialized medicine/Obamacare which would not provide medical care for his daughter.

      There really is no limit to this man's disgusting self promotion.

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 04:38:19 PM PST

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    •  But see, (2+ / 0-)
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      that child has already been born so it doesn't merit the attention a fetus would get.

      Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

      by Debby on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 08:20:58 PM PST

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