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  •  Maryland's non-liberal bias is difficult (6+ / 0-)

    for non-Marylanders to understand.   Most non-Marylanders see Maryland as a solidly-blue state.  However, what they fail to realize is that the Maryland Democratic Party is the last bastion of the old Southern Democratic Party.  P.G. and Montgomery are the only liberal counties in the state.  

    The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

    by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 10:33:30 AM PST

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    •  Am I correct in thinking (2+ / 0-)
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      billlaurelMD, Lujane

      that Maryland is basically a Southern state with an exceptionally large big-city population? If so, what's happening here makes perfect sense to me after growing up in Nashville with Bob Clement and Jim Cooper.

      Male, 21, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02

      by fearlessfred14 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 10:42:09 AM PST

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      •  Yes! (2+ / 0-)
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        P.G. and Montgomery are transient counties; therefore, they are not considered to be "Real Maryland" by most native Marylanders.  Baltimore City was a majority-white city when I was born, and I am not that old.   The white Marylanders who used to live in the city now live in the suburbs or exurbs.   Central Maryland still has old Southern Democrat-style "Democratic Clubs."   I basically grew up in the Democratic  Club to which my grandparents belonged.   Their Democratic Party looked nothing like DKos.

        The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

        by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 11:10:46 AM PST

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        •  great reading on MD regional politics (2+ / 0-)
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          As the world warms, the reigning ideology that tells us it’s everyone for themselves, that victims deserve their fate, that we can master nature, will take us to a very cold place indeed - Naomi Klein

          by mightymouse on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 11:15:13 AM PST

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          •  It's a decent overview (2+ / 0-)
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            However, the author is factually wrong about "Region 8 - Baltimore, Hon!"   The white people who live in Region 8 tend to have long historical ties to Maryland.   Most families did not migrate from the south and West Virginia--they emigrated from other parts of Maryland and Europe during the industrial revolution!   Baltimore was a tiny town until the nineteenth century.   Old Maryland families, like my own, migrated from the Eastern Shore to Baltimore in the early nineteenth century.  The Great Migration out of Europe brought Irish, Scots, Italians, Germans, and Czechs to Baltimore in large numbers in the mid-nineteenth century.   That's why Baltimore has ethnic neighborhood's with names like "Highland Town," "Jew Town," and "Little Italy."   The gentrified area of Baltimore now known as "Federal Hill" was primarily settled by Germans and Czechs in the nineteenth century.  That's why there are streets with names like "Hamburg Street."

            The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

            by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 11:48:31 AM PST

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      •  That's the Maryland of 1950 (1+ / 0-)
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        Lujane

        Today's Maryland is a majority suburban state, with very blue Washington suburbs and purple-ish Baltimore suburbs. Baltimore, which once had a majority of the state's population, now barely has 10%, but it does have huge blue majorities. There are some red rural areas--in some cases, very red--but they are simply outvoted.

    •  I don't think that is quite right (5+ / 0-)
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      CrissieP, jct, charliehall2, davybaby, Lujane

      Senator Cardin is tied with Sherrod Brown for most liberal senator according to the National Journal. Elijah Cummings has the same liberal rank as Donna Edwards according to this site.  As a governor, Martin O'Malley is pretty liberal; he has vowed to get same-sex marriage passed this session and has apologized for not putting more effort into passage the last time it came up.

      There are for sure a lot of leftovers from the old day in the state house and senate but we've got some amazing people coming up at the local level.

      You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia".

      by yellowdog on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 11:37:19 AM PST

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      •  Gay marriage isn't going to happen in Maryland (1+ / 0-)
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        Anyone who lives outside of the D.C. Metro Area knows that Maryland is not a liberal state (My family has been in Maryland for 350 years).  Governor O'Malley can promise all he wants, but gay marriage is a DOA issue.  Gay marriage is not supported by white Democrats outside of the Capital Beltway counties, and the issue has very little support in the African American community.   If by some miracle the issue ends up making it through the state house, it will end up on the ballot just like the Maryland Dream Act.

        The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

        by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 12:07:32 PM PST

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      •  Elijah Cummings is my Congressman and (0+ / 0-)

        I'm delighted he is, but I don't think he matches Edwards in her outspokenness, especially considering how long he's been in the House and how short a time she's been there.  Not that Cummings doesn't speak out, but she does more.

        What I would really like to see is for Glenn Ivey, or any progressive, run against Steny Hoyer and leave Edwards alone.  When Hoyer was first campaigning for Congress decades ago, he stopped by our bicycle store while my father-in-law happened to be there.  After a short conversation Hoyer asked for his support; my always-outspoken FIL replied, "I don't support crooks."

        Hoyer never came back for some reason.  ;-)

    •  Excuse me, but the stats don't show that (2+ / 0-)
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      davybaby, Lujane

      Here are Barack Obama's wining percentages in 2008:

      Prince Georges County 88.9% (best in entire US)

      Baltimore City (not part of a county) 87.2%

      Montgomery County 71.6%

      Charles County 62.2%

      Howard County 60.0%

      Baltimore County (which does not include Baltimore City) 56.2%

      Obama also carried small rural Kent County by 48 votes, and McCain carried everything else, but most people in Maryland live in one of those five jurisdictions.

      I will add that the last time that a Republican got elected to the Baltimore City Council was in the 1930s.

      •  Charles County (1+ / 0-)
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        Lujane

        To digress, of America's 3,000+ counties only two voted for Bob Dole in 1996 and then Al Gore in 2000: Orange County (Orlando), FL and Charles County, MD. Both are areas undergoing significant demographic change.

      •  Democratic <> Liberal in Maryland (0+ / 0-)

        Sure, the machine supports Democratic candidates at the federal level, regardless of leaning.  However, local politics tell a different story.   As I stated earlier, Maryland is the last bastion of the old Southern Democratic Party.   Democratic politics start to lean to the right the moment one steps out of P.G., Montgomery, or Baltimore City.

        The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

        by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Fri Dec 02, 2011 at 09:02:04 AM PST

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