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  •  I guess where I come down (24+ / 0-)

    is that politicians need to FEAR Occupy more than they FEAR the Koch Brothers money.

    I'm tired of waiting for better angels of their natures to arrive on scene.

    Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at Texas Kaos.

    by boadicea on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 12:05:43 PM PST

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    •  Again no one should ever wait, (1+ / 0-)
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      that means you are sitting on your hands. Go out and find them, recruit them and get them elected.

      And as to the fear part. I am not so sure about this approach either. The Republicans feared/fear the Tea Party and look where that has gotten us.

      Like it or not we all do not think alike in this country and most certainly the 99% don't all think alike. So in order for government to function at all there must be compromises. If our elected officials respond only to  ideology and fear no one gets anything let alone getting close to what they desire.

      Republicans 2012 . . . Keeping millions out of work to put one man out of a job.

      by jsfox on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 12:16:25 PM PST

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      •  Counterweight needs to pull to the left (7+ / 0-)

        because so far, all the compromising is moving things to the right.

        I'm gonna leave this discussion now, because I have other things that need doing.

        But the message I think needs delivery is NOT to OWS-it's to those in power who resist necessary changes.

        Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at Texas Kaos.

        by boadicea on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 12:41:03 PM PST

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      •  yeah there must be compromise, but (3+ / 0-)
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        we can no longer start at the compromised position and then compromise further.

        that's a losing proposition, and it is what has been occurring for close to fifty years. it has to stop.

        you don't get compromise to the middle unless your starting position is at least as far from the center as your opponent's is in the other direction.

        those elected officials should be in fear, and respond to the ideology of their party's base in their initial positions. that doesn't mean they should always be obstinate about accomplishing their exact proposals.

        blink-- pale cold

        by zedaker on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 08:37:06 PM PST

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      •  The Tea Party got us a ruined country (0+ / 0-)

        It also got them to show up, because dammit, they won.
        Mostly. (Joe Miller Sharron Angle Christine O'Donnell Dan Maes; snicker)

        Politicians do respond to fear that someone will show up and vote them out. But you have to follow through and show up (be a voter) for them to fear you.

    •  If you want fear (2+ / 0-)

      you are on the wrong side already.

      Fear is the GOP's one and only tactic and weapon.  I keep hoping we can get beyond that.

      Yeah, I know it's difficult and unlikely, but I refuse to go down that road.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 03:23:15 PM PST

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      •  then you totally misunderstand the historical (1+ / 0-)
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        dynamic that produced the progressive movement, the new deal, and the civil rights movement.

        without a credible fear of disruptive (and in many cases, potentially violent and economy-wrecking) unrest, the system will not concede anything. TR needed anarchists and eugene debs; FDR needed radical labor, wobblies and huey long; johnson needed MLK, but also malcolm x and the black panthers.

        the establishment having palpable fear of the consequences of not throwing a bone of reform to the mob is a necessary precondition to actually getting that bone.

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