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    Roger Fox

    The purpose of copyright and patent in the Constitution wasn't to give anyone a free ride for life or a nest egg for their heirs.  It was to advance the development of the arts and sciences.  

    The present IP regime has traded the original Constitutional purpose for this newly conflated construct of entitlement, and erected a labyrinth of tyrannical nonsense around it, and you're sitting there rationalizing it from presumably a personal vested interest.


    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 07:03:45 PM PST

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    •  who the hell said anything about a free ride? (0+ / 0-)

      i said and am saying again that ARTISTS/WRITERS/MUSICIANS deserve to be PAID for their creative property.  it is from THEIR minds that these "products" originate, JUST as software is intellectual property.

      every time i hear some non-creative consumer whine "WHY should i have to PAY for... blahdeblahdeblah", my response is this:

      if you're so opposed to paying the artist for his/her work, go write your own music, paint your own picture, write your own book, etc.

      and why don't these "consumers" do this?  

      the answer is simple:  they've got absolutely NO imagination, talent, training, perserverance, ability.

      that's why - yet they think artists OWE them the works by those creating the entertainment for the masses.


      give me a break!

      Is GlowNZ back yet?

      by edrie on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 08:02:41 PM PST

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      •  sure they deserve to get paid, but not forever. (0+ / 0-)

        FYI, I've worked in the music industry (recording) and have studio tapes of stuff that could earn me a downpayment on a house if I was to bootleg them, which I won't ever do.  And I've never, as in not-even-once, done any infringing downloads or uploads.  So that kills off one of your straw men.

        You're working against the laws of physics, and that's a losing battle.

        "Information wants to be free" isn't just a clever slogan, it's a fact of physics.  All bitstreams of equivalent length have the same entropy cost in energy.  For example take three minutes of music, and three minutes of white noise: each requires the same (as in, exactly the same as far as can be measured) amount of energy to reproduce over speakers or transfer between digital devices.  

        From the perspective of physics, a recording of a song is no different to a recording of random bits.  Thus, ultimately, there is no way to constrain the reproduction or transmission of a song as compared to an equivalent quantity of random bits.  Physics doesn't care if a bitstream is white noise, Shakespeare (copyright-free), or the latest top 40 hit single (copyrighted).  Physics doesn't differentiate between them: they are identical in terms of entropy cost in energy.  

        All the legal hocus-pocus in the world won't change that.  All the Orwellian control-state tactics in the world won't change that.  Even if you imposed a Soviet-style system of controls on the internet that required something like a "free speech license" to upload content of any kind (say byebye to dKos), it wouldn't work, any more than trying to use a strainer to hold water.  

        And the blunt fact of human societies is that when an arbitrary cost is considered unreasonably high, it will be circumvented.  For example New York has a high tobacco tax compared to other states: thus cigarette smugglers do a booming trade buying truckloads of cigarettes in low-tax states and selling them on the sly in New York.  

        Copyright infringement was a relatively minor issue when the term of copyright was maximum 28 years.  There was no incentive to bootleg.  The arbitrary barriers were not so high as to create that incentive.  Today, with 90-year copyright, the arbitrary barrier is so high that it creates an enormous incentive, and the supply follows the demand.  

        So in point of fact, the response from the public recognizes the illegitimacy of perpetual copyright.

        But there's one more issue here.  The desire to profit forever from limited work.  That's also a violation of physics, and the short version is there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.  You can't get over-unity energy output.  

        The desire for perpetual profit from limited work is equivalent to the desire of the .00001% for unlimited profit from investment capital.  It's the quest for an over-unity machine, perpetual motion, and it's ultimately doomed to fail.  

        The fact that the .00001% have rigged the legal system and the economy to produce the appearance of unlimited profit is irrelevant: and today we see their bubbles bursting with the force of hydrogen bombs in the economy.  

        And the solution to that isn't for one class after another to demand access to the same systemic perversions and injustices that the .00001% have used.  The solution is to bring down the .00001% to the same level as everyone else in the economy, whose working life is bounded by the laws of physics:  there is no free lunch, and plus or minus the social safety net, if you want to eat, you have to work.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 10:47:17 PM PST

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