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  •  okay, so we have you and chitown kev (0+ / 0-)

    shrugging off police violence and tacitly declaring open season on protesters.

    this is how bankrupt liberals and the democratic party have devolved.

    occupiers are on their own. this is something they understand. they don't expect the establishment to come out to defend them. they (we) have been betrayed too many times before. a broken system is the reason why they're out on the streets protesting in the first place.

    The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea. ~ Mark Pauly

    by stolen water on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:00:43 PM PST

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    •  Shrugging off police violence (1+ / 0-)
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      pardon my french, but you have got to be crazy?

      Andrew Wilson was arrested on the morning of February 14, 1982 for the murder of the two police officers, and by the end of the day, he was in Mercy Hospital and Medical Center with lacerations on various parts of his head, including his face, chest bruises and second-degree thigh burns.[9] It was clear that Wilson had received sufficient injuries to be sent to the hospital, with more than a dozen of them caused while in police custody.[4] During a two-week trial in 1983, Andrew Wilson was convicted of the killings and given a death penalty sentence, while his brother Jackie was convicted as an accomplice and given a life sentence.[19] In 1985, Jackie's conviction was overturned by the Illinois Appellate Court because his right to remain silent had not been properly explained.[19] Because Andrew was given a death sentence, his case was not reviewable on the same grounds by the Appellate Court and went directly to the Illinois Supreme Court.[19] In April 1987, the Supreme Court overturned Andrew's conviction with a ruling that he had confessed involuntarily after being beaten by the police.[20]
      In October 1987, the Appellate court further ruled the Jackie Wilson should have been tried separately from his brother and that evidence against Andrew Wilson regarding other matters for which the police wanted him was incorrectly admitted.[21] In June 1988, Andrew was re-convicted.[22] However, with 10 women in favor and two men opposed, the jury was unable to agree on his eligibility for the death penalty after five days of deliberation,[23] and the following month he was granted a life sentence.[24]

      Seven years after the original arrest, Andrew filed a civil suit stating that he had been beaten, suffocated with a plastic bag, burned (by cigarette and radiator), treated with electric shock, and been the victim of the pattern of a cover-up. Although the suit was against four detectives, a former police superintendent and the City of Chicago, it hinged on the testimonies of plaintiff Wilson and commander Burge, who oversaw all of the alleged activity.[25]
      Jury selection commenced on February 15, 1989.[9] The original two-woman, four-man jury included three blacks and a Hispanic.[26] When Burge took the stand on March 13, 1989, he denied claims he injured Andrew Wilson during questioning and denied any knowledge of any such activity by other officers.[27][28] Gradually, charges against other officers were dismissed. On March 15, 1989, Sergeant Thomas McKenna was cleared of wrongdoing;[29] and on March 30, 1989, Detectives John Yucaitis and Patrick O'Hara were unanimously cleared by the jury.[30] However, the jury was at an impasse on the Burge verdict.[30] U.S. District Judge Brian B. Duff ordered a retrial for Burge, former Police Supt. Richard Brzeczek and the City of Chicago on two other outstanding charges (conspiracy and whether the City of Chicago's policy toward police brutality contributed to Wilson's injuries).[26][31] Burge was cleared in a second nine-week trial that began on June 9, 1989.[32][33]

      Burge and other Chicago Police officers allegedly used methods of torture that left few marks. They were accused of slamming telephone books on top of suspect’s heads. There were also three separate electrical devices that Burge and his detectives were accused of using: a cattle prod, a hand cranked device, and a violet wand. They allegedly used an old-style hand cranked telephone which generated electricity, and attach wires to the suspect’s genitals or face. According to veteran sergeant D. J. Lewis, this is a method of torture common in the Korean War, and usually results in a confession. Burge has denied ever witnessing such telephone torture procedures.[2][34] The violet wand was said to be regularly placed either on the anus, into the rectum or against the victim's exposed genitals.[34] They also used stun guns and adapted hair dryers.[10] Burge and officers under his command also allegedly engaged in mock executions, in putting plastic bags over heads, cigarette burnings and severe beatings. At one point he is alleged to have supervised the electrical shocking of a 13 year old boy, Marcus Wiggins.[35][36][37]

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      Now, where the fuck with you and your ilk over the 20 year period that was happening?

      And at no time was Presidents Nixon on through Clinton contacted about that.

      •  i overshot, sorry about that kev. (1+ / 0-)
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        true, past presidents are guilty of remaining silent. this is why obama should break from tradition and steer another path. he should step up to the plate now before things get worse. he pledged to have a transformational presidency.

        his silence sends a bad signal.

        it shouldn't be controversial to want the president to call out injustice.

        The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea. ~ Mark Pauly

        by stolen water on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:25:06 PM PST

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        •  OK, let me see if I understand this (4+ / 0-)
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          only the president is responsible for calling out injustice?

          Which injustice? I don't recall ths president speaking out for Troy Davis?

          I don't recall this president (both as state senator and as US Senator) speaking out for any of Burge's victims even; I can't recall him ever being asked about it, frankly.

          I don't recall this president speaking out about the attacks on gay bars in Fort Worth and Atlanta; yet both of those cases have reached resolution.

          You mean to tell me that of all the police brutality that goes on in this country (and that mainly affects racial minorities and LGBTs) the president NEEDS to speak out about this?

          •  no, not only the president is responsible. (0+ / 0-)

            but when so many others are unwilling to do so...

            somebody has to be willing to lead.

            Which injustice? I don't recall ths president speaking out for Troy Davis?

            i called for obama to intervene on that issue as well. and was similarly shouted down.

            The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea. ~ Mark Pauly

            by stolen water on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 05:40:42 PM PST

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          •  silence sends a bad signal that police violence (0+ / 0-)

            is acceptable. the masses take note of that. they become afraid. a frightened populace is less willing to voice dissent. fear strengthens the hold of the oligarchs.

            The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea. ~ Mark Pauly

            by stolen water on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 05:43:46 PM PST

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            •  as far as I can tell police violence has long been (2+ / 0-)
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              acceptable provided it happens to POC off camera (although it has increasingly been happening to white people as well, leaving aside the Occupy police actions.

              The "masses" have known this for years, but certain "masses" did nothing about it until it affected them.

              The "masses" did nothing about it and they definitely weren't asking the President to intervene.

              Now I'm more with you on the police violence question than you think but being that I am a black man, can you understand why I am seeing more than a little bit of hypocrisy in your demands of the President (although...President Obama also set a bad precedent when he spoke out about Henry Louis Gates so I'm not saying that he's entirely blameless).

    •  Oh, we now have a pattern of misrepresentation (2+ / 0-)
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      from stolen water, all wrapped up in a giant ball of self-righteousness.  Your martyrdom complex is spectacularly unimpressive.

      •  as is your name calling. (0+ / 0-)

        it shouldn't be controversial to want obama to call out injustice. instead you ridicule it. what does that say about you?

        The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea. ~ Mark Pauly

        by stolen water on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:27:18 PM PST

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        •  I'm ridiculing (0+ / 0-)

          your purposeful misrepresentation of what I and Chitown Kev have been saying.  What does that say about me?  Nothing more than that I call people out who talk bullshit.

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