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  •  Bill McKibben thought churches would be (2+ / 0-)
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    likely friends of the movement years ago. Some are, some aren't.

    “The first principle [in science] is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.” Richard Feynman

    by the fan man on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 05:50:56 PM PST

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    •  He was right. And we only need some. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

      by TheGrandWazoo on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 11:19:31 AM PST

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      •  Somehow, the Catholic Church's calls (1+ / 0-)
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        to address climate change don't seem to translate as readily into legislative action as do calls to ban gay marriage.

        “The first principle [in science] is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.” Richard Feynman

        by the fan man on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 11:33:37 AM PST

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        •  The Church hasn't been interested in climate until (1+ / 0-)
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          recently.  Admirably, it as gotten on board.  Shamefully, it is not on board yet in recognizing that love is not confined to heterosexuality.

          You take allies where you can find them, sometimes on an issue to issue basis.  There is a saying in politics: "No permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests".  I don't go that far into the cynical end of things, and I honestly believe either that most effective policymakers don't either, but there is something to be said for understanding that today's opponent could be tomorrow's ally, and vice-versa.

          Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

          by TheGrandWazoo on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 05:16:14 PM PST

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          •  That qoute is almost what I've heard attributed (2+ / 0-)
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            to Henry Kissinger "America has no friends, only interests". Climate is recent, true, but JPII and Benedict have preached against the excesses of capitalism for quite some time. Doesn't make headlines.

            “The first principle [in science] is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.” Richard Feynman

            by the fan man on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 06:15:43 PM PST

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