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  •  but an invisible meteorite, (10+ / 0-)

    and therefore deniable. Even though we made it ourselves as a golden idol to our material greed.
    Like one's own mortality.
    we are not wired to respond with our big ol' cerebra to this type of threat, even if we intellectually accept the incontrovertible facts.
    we respond with our emotional centers, and pretend it isn't real.

    (I am typing this from a ski resort in Vermont that is on the verge of closing once again; it's not only not snowing, it hasn't even been cold enough to make snow. At elevation. In Vermont. In December.)

    Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

    by kamarvt on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:59:23 AM PST

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    •  you know the irony of that, right? (5+ / 0-)

      Skiing is a fairly high-impact sport, especially downhill skiing.  The energy required to operate the lifts, the snowmaking and trail-grooming equipment, etc. etc.

      OTOH, high-impact sports aren't what's killing the planet.

      What's killing the planet is the daily grind of commuting by car and using electricity produced from fossil fuels.  The mundane stuff that huge masses of people do every single day.  

      "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:29:50 AM PST

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      •  actually, we are pretty good in that regard (6+ / 0-)

        all sustainable sources for electricity, biodiesel in the groomers, an aggressive recycling program.....but a parking lot full of SUV's with NY plates.
        and we market ourselves overseas.

        Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

        by kamarvt on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:50:45 AM PST

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        •  oh, well that's excellent. (2+ / 0-)
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          The fact that you're running the resort on as sustainable a basis as possible, resolves the impact issue for the sport itself.  

          The SUVs are the problem of each of the people who drive them, though if they own hybrids and only rented the SUVs to drive to the resort with all their gear, that's not a killer-diller.  

          As for airplanes, their passenger miles per gallon equivalent is somewhere near a Prius, so that's not a killer-diller either.

          The thing that kills the planet is the mass behavior of millions who act "by default" and fail to make other choices, despite other choices being readily available.  

          "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 01:56:11 PM PST

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    •  It used to rain here in Sacramento every year (6+ / 0-)

      by September.  I haven't seen but a single day of light rain this year.  We have two seasons here - dry and wet.  So far, there hasn't been any 'wet' yet.  That isn't good.

      #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

      by Evolutionary on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:35:19 AM PST

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      •  Oakland: similar. (3+ / 0-)
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        Not a whole lot of rain.  Been getting more that way every year.  Not good.  

        But the thing that makes it or breaks it for CA is the snow in the mountains.   When that starts going away, we are all well and truly screwed.

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 02:03:29 PM PST

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        •  Yes, if it becomes too warm, that snowpack melts (2+ / 0-)
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          early.  I've seen that happen too.  It creates flooding, and later, drought (no water storage).  We are very dependent on the 'normal' rate of snow melt water to feed the crops we grow that in turn - feed the nation.  Beef will soon become a scarce commodity.  Much of the nation's meat producers are in the Mid-West and South-West, where water is no longer falling from the sky.

          I should really figure out how to grow soybeans, or any kind of beans really.  I can't really grow rice, but potatoes grow easily.  At least I am near a river.  Even if the water flow becomes limited and seasonal, I can store some water.

          I wonder exactly how much water each person uses each year?

          #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

          by Evolutionary on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 02:29:14 PM PST

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          •  household water consumption is a small part... (2+ / 0-)
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            ... of the total.  Agriculture is the Big Thing.

            Residential water consumption can be cut 20% with graywater recycling, and I have an invention toward that end, seeking capital to patent it and get it produced.  But even a 20% savings on the residential side will only be offset by population growth in California in a decade or at most two.  

            Agriculture is the area where the serious gains have yet to be made.  Technology exists for this; Israel is the world-leader in the field and the most critical elements of that have probably gone off-patent and into the public domain.  The difficult part isn't the technology but the regulatory will to require using it.

            "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 06:52:49 PM PST

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            •  Yep. We will need plenty of regulations to put (2+ / 0-)
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              corporations back where they belong - at the level of public utilities.  
              And, good for you!  You are DOING something ;).  Every little bit helps eh?

              #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

              by Evolutionary on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 07:16:08 PM PST

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              •  every finger in the leaking dike and a tsunami... (2+ / 0-)
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                ... approaches.

                Sure, I'll conserve energy until someone pries my Kill-A-Watt meter out of my cold dead hands, but an entire lifetime of my efforts are nullified by someone, somewhere in the US, who decides his DNA is God's Gift to Mankind and engages in reckless reproduction.  

                As long as population and consumption levels grow, conservation just makes it easier for them.

                What's needed is the full-on complete paradigm shift.  The entire culture on a WW2 footing, damn the torpedoes, and damn the corporados.  

                The value of all of our efforts in terms of conservation and so on, is when they go viral and spread, and when we succeed at bringing down the plutocracy with a cheer, like bringing down the statues of dictators in the public square.  And the metric for it is CO2 output per capita, measured individually through items such as energy and water consumption, waste output, and so on.  Arithmetic doesn't care about our feelings, and Ma Nature doesn't either.  

                "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                by G2geek on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:15:20 PM PST

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                •  Yeah, it doesn't feel good when you do the right (0+ / 0-)

                  thing, and then see someone else do the wrong thing, effectively stopping your own good deed from having any effect.

                  BUT,  we should always try to keep our own side of the street clean :).

                  #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

                  by Evolutionary on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:36:44 PM PST

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                  •  one has to anyway, like not-looting after a storm. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Regardless of whether everyone else is looting.  

                    However, passengers on a bus with a flaming drunk at the wheel had better do something quickly, because there's no alternative when he starts swerving around on the road.

                    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                    by G2geek on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 03:26:20 PM PST

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        •  You're in Oakland too? (0+ / 0-)

          I was just talking with a friend about how weird the weather has been.  It rained into August this year and has hardly rained since.  There was about a week where we got some rain, but there should be more.  Maybe we'll have another warm January.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 08:46:03 AM PST

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    •  Even worse (4+ / 0-)
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      It's a La Niña year - cooler waters upwelling in the Pacific mean the air masses crossing the continent are cooler than they would be in a non-La Niña year, leading to a "cold winter" on the North American continent.

      If this is the new version of a "cold winter," I dread the return of El Niño. I've only had to wear my coat 4 days this year, in December in Vermont. Sure, I like the less bulky apparel, and it's nice that I was able to dig a trench for electrical conduit in the frost-free ground without power equipment today, but for crying out loud, my son wore a t-shirt to school today!

      Did I mention we had mosquitoes over the weekend? Mosquitoes. WTF?!!

    •  Come to Colorado... (2+ / 0-)
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      We are having a cold snap.

      The 'Free Market' will decide. It will decide that the United States cannot consume 25% of the world's resources and the upper 1% cannot control 50% of the wealth.

      by RichM on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 01:09:41 PM PST

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