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  •  not on account of Iran, but rather, Ed Meese... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... secretly traveling to Iran and telling the Ayatollah that Reagan would be glad to give them all the weaponry they wanted in exchange for releasing the hostages.

    That is called "treating with a foreign foe," which is the paradigm case definition of treason.  

    With that, Iran had no further interest in negotiating with Carter.

    And we all remember seeing the hostages released in the very moment that Reagan was taking the Oath of Office: a coincidence that rates right up there with the 2000 and 2004 elections.  

    The rest, as they say, is history.  But when it came out that Meese had stolen the election with an act of treason.... well I'll just say that mass civil disorder would have been an understandable reaction to that.  Instead, you could have heard the proverbial pin drop.

    And the moral of the story is, the way to deal with a psychopathic bully is to make it damn clear that you can and will send him to the hospital for a month if he so much as raises a fist.  Instead, Democrats have been practicing the "lie back and enjoy it" theory of rape crisis counseling.  And thus have gone the past thirty years, a race to the bottom with the eagerness of a meth fiend opening up his latest plastic bag of brain-poison.  

    At this rate we will be back to the caves before the end of this century.  And that's why I have nothing but contempt for the idea that jamming the proverbial crowbar into the wheels of our demise is somehow impermissible when literally billions of lives and the possible extinction of humanity are at stake.  

    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:23:20 PM PST

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    •  Thus why I love talking with those people that (0+ / 0-)

      love Reagan.  I can't tell you how good it feels to tell them that he is a damn traitor, and I don't use that word lightly.  Occasionally they will argue that it was a good thing, they don't win that one.

      Fuck Reagan.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 09:30:24 PM PST

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      •  actually that misses an opportunity. (0+ / 0-)

        If the goal is to try to shift opinions and votes, which it always should be, then demonizing Reagan as such loses an opportunity.  

        Emotional narratives are what shift opinions and votes.  The emotional narrative around Reagan was "morning in America" and "optimism" and so on.  

        That sets up a useful contrast to the state of affairs at the conclusion of the Bush II administration, with the economy crashing, and the past three years of Obama's efforts, despite Republican obstructionism, to keep it from going down the drain.

        In this context, Reagan becomes useful to us: as a contrast to the obstructionists and obscurantists presently running things in Congress.  For example:

        Reagan, idealistic; Congressional Rs today, cynical.
        Reagan, optimistic; Congressional Rs today, merely selfish.

        Emotional contrasts are analogous to electrical potential differences and topographic hills and valleys, that can be used to create incentives to move in a particular direction.

        By starting out "agreeing with someone" by "agreeing that Reagan was a great man," and then contrasting to the present Rs in Congress and the present crop of candidates, you can gain some credibility with these voters and help shift their opinions.  It doesn't happen all at once, but every little increment of feedback helps.  

        As for Meese's treason, topics of that kind won't get traction outside of the progressive left, and so shouldn't be used to attempt to convince lifetime Rs that they've been wrong all their lives (something which in any case is an aversive stimulus: would you agree with someone who told you that you had wasted your life supporting evil people?).  We can discuss Meese in these pages, though doing so doesn't help change our present reality.   But Meese is not useful for helping change opinions and move votes.  The contrast of emotional narratives between Reagan and the present crop of lunatics and crooks, is.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 03:23:10 PM PST

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