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  •   I didn't tell you not to smoke. (1+ / 0-)
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    This is what I told you:

    If you want to smoke...fine...just don't involve me in  your self-destructive choice.

    It is your problem not mine. Please don't involve me.

    This is not about Liberal/Conservative either.

    My father, a Conservative/Republican,  was a 2 pack a day Lucky Strike smoker from medical school onward for about 30 years.  Just after the original surgeon general's report (early 1960s) he was present when a friend of his, a smoker like himself, had exploratory surgery. The friend was so full of cancer they just sewed him up. After that day my father never smoked another cigarette in his life ...he chewed a lot of butterscotch lifesavers, but he didn't smoke ever again. Those Lifesavers were lifesavers.

    My Conservative/Republican father was an old-fashioned country doctor who made house calls. I was appalled by his approach to getting people to quit, which by the way was effective. If someone had cigarettes in their pocket, he would reach over and take those cigarettes and throw them into the trash. He would proceed to tell them: Don't tell me you can't quit; I smoked 2 packs of Luckies for 30 years. I stopped in one day and so can you. Don't tell me you want to quit, but you can't. It just isn't true.

    The point of this is that my father was anything but a Liberal LOL, he would have been incensed at the suggestion.

    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

    by Jane Lew on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 05:08:44 PM PST

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    •  When and if they want to quit.... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I'm sure they'll give your father's advice all due consideration.  

      In the meantime, they're adults exercising adult agency, they are engaging in something that is not [yet] illegal, and we desperately need them where they are doing what they're doing.  

      If it takes a carton of smokes to thank them for standing up for me and you against the oligarchy, the only thing I have to say is "What's your brand?"  

      •  Part of the problem with smoking is (1+ / 0-)
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        one of those things you can't necessarily keep to yourself.

        I still have lung problems to this day partially due to the massive amount of passive smoke I was subjected to as a child.  We didn't know that then. We do now. My fathers so called "adult agency" was not kept to himself. He smoked everywhere, all the the the car...everywhere. He did not know what his "adult agency" was doing to me, his child.

        I remember being delighted in his smoke rings and smoky spit balls.

        I had bacterial pneumonia as a child and received some of the first penicillin available after WWII. Later in my 30s my damaged lungs  would contract viral pneumonia. I coughed my lungs out.  I was ill for a year. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If I had been older I would have died. There is a reason pneumonia is called "the old man's friend."

        You choose to give cigarettes; I choose not to.

        IMNSHO there are better ways to thank folks that to give them cigarettes.

        One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

        by Jane Lew on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 06:37:12 PM PST

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