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  •  "...once that is done, things get really serious." (5+ / 0-)
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    What's so serious about trying to start another political party?  Seems sort of routine, historically.

    All you have to do is convince the electorate.

    •  Unlike the Green Party (16+ / 0-)

      they plan to build on top of the Occupy Infrastructure and not just run nationally for President every four years as a spoiler, but also locally.  Ultimately getting directly involved in the political process is what they need to do, something I suggested ever before Occupy arrived on the scene.  It's as serious as you can get about turning this country around, but reaching out and grabbing hold of the wheel yourself.

      •  Does the Green Party not run in local elections (7+ / 0-)

        where you are?  Green candidates run in local elections all the time in Tucson.

        Kind of off topic, but just wondering.

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        by sneakers563 on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:17:12 AM PST

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        •  To my knowledge, (2+ / 0-)
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          the Green Party fields candidates in local elections. They also--to whatever degree they allow themselves to be co-opted by interests seeking to "spoil" elections for progressives--do not advocate that model, and, indeed, champion electoral reforms such as ranked-choice voting to make elections more difficult to abuse.  

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:25:22 AM PST

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          •  On 3rd Party Presidential Campaigns (3+ / 0-)
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            In many, many states, parties can only maintain their ballot status if they run in top-of-the-ticket elections like Governor and President.

            Whatever else the GP has and hasn't done, it's not responsible for our bipartisanly crazy ballot access laws!

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            by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:36:50 AM PST

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            •  Take it to Dem primaries. (0+ / 0-)

              Like the Tea Party has done to the GOP. Only for good, not evil.

              "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

              by HeyMikey on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:32:18 PM PST

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          •  Ranked choice voting--KEY to Third Party building. (10+ / 0-)

            It means people can vote for a third party candidate without risking throwing the election to the dogs -- or the Republicans -- or whatever "worst choice" is currently keeping people in line.

            Occupy should make this one of their demands.  If it got established in several states, and people could see how it works, I think the idea would spread quickly. It would dramatically change the electoral politics of the United State, much for the better, making the system more responsive to changing needs of the people.  

            Third parties could grow organically, getting established on state and local levels, getting some representation in Congress, and as they were ready taking more and more power nationally.

            We need this.

        •  they often seem to ignore local and state (2+ / 0-)

          races for federal ones.

          the emphasis, I think, and have always thought, is wrong.

          the far right got where it was going by starting at the level of the School Board.

          Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:06:59 PM PST

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      •  The Greens have PRIMARILY run locally. (0+ / 0-)

        The only reason people think of them as presidential spoilers is because of Ralph Nader, who is not nor ever has been a Green Party member.

        This is how OWS wanders off into the political wilderness with the tiny fraction of a percent who have the willingness and the MEANS to endure the GAs.  If they do this, they will just be another overwhelmingly white, male, middle-class, ideologically pure faction of the left.

      •  Seems to me the Green Party (0+ / 0-)

        could be a core group to help establish #7, "Protection of the Planet," in collaboration with say the Sierra Club and Greenpeace.

        Surely other existing groups with special expertise would want to "join" the new party, e.g. the Electronic Frontiers Foundation has been working forever on Internet freedom. (We the People did pay to develop tcp/ip, via the the so-called Defense Department and Rand. Right? If corporations want access, let them buy it from us ;)

        It will take some doing to get it together, but at least We the People have real expertise in all these matters. That is in contrast to those who know only how to pretend and lie.

        Thanks for the excellent news and fine diary, Vyan.

        "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

        by cotterperson on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:24:18 PM PST

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