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  •  Part of the problem to my understanding (1+ / 0-)
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    is that they functioned largely online, and made declarations without a consensus process.

    •  But why do they need to do it that way? (0+ / 0-)

      They are not affiliated officially with OWS. They can create action in whatever way they choose, right?

      What's the difference between, for example, this group and say, SEIU, who decided to do an action in DC this week. That had nothing to do officially with occupy DC. It was about jobs. Or what about "Move your money" who existed before OWS but found that it dovetailed nicely with the spirit of OWS and decided to "do" a move your money day, and sort of sprang off of OWS?

      Im saying the occupy movement is a leaderless movement by choice. That means if oother people groups and organizations "activate" in a way that happens to dovetail with the OWS message, OWS has no authority to insist on consensus or to question how other groups decided to do what they're doing. The best OWS can do is say: this isnt an OWS action. But otherwise, unless they want to set themselves up as some sort of "central governing body" of any and all affinity groups or activities, I can't see why the 99devlaration would need to have "consensus" among anyone other than those who are actively participating in shaping the group's actions.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 05:20:57 PM PST

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      •  I have a problem with their process... (1+ / 0-)
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        but its okay for you not to have a problem with their process. Early on they were proposing the kinds of grievance or demands that just didn't jive with me. Some were pro-democratic party. I also don't appreciate them naming a conference with elected reps without a consensus process from all of the encampments. Difficult as that sounds, it can be done. I prefer direct democracy, anyhow, and a nationwide conference with some participating by internet, for anyone in the movement who wants to attend. As mess as that sounds, it will serve to energize tens of thousands, and prevent cooptation by any one political group or ideology.

        •  well i actually bowed out early on too. (1+ / 0-)
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          in fact I haven't been back.

          I left because yes, there as confusion about its connection to OWS and NYCGA in particular. I thought it was deceptive to put the thing on the working group section of the NYCGA website when it wasn't officially a OWS thing.

          Once that got cleared up (and yes, I was one of the people who suggested that IF they were going to affiliate with OWS they needed to get consensus from all the occupy encampments), the thing that made me step away was this sense of urgency and the rush to set up bank accounts and non profit status and donation capabilities. I was unhappy with that and also felt that the guy who started it was a bit too "authoritarian" - unwilling to listen to others. dead set on his own agenda. That's why I sent him an email and said that while I thought the thing could be an important step for the movement, the way he was going about it risked harming it. (He'd put out a number of press releases and gotten quite a bit of media attention around it). And since I didn't want to contribute to anything that would harm the movement, I was bowing out.

          that was a month or so ago. I have no idea what they're up to now or whether the issues that disturbed me then have been smoothed over. I personally don't think there's enough organization for this to go anywhere as quickly as he'd like it to.He was full steam ahead for July 4 blah blah while I felt it would be smart to get consensus from all the occupy encampments about just having a big national delegation, not so much the demands at all. I had even suggested building a website where the individual occupies could intereact with each other and build consensus around the idea of selecting a few delegates to go to the national convention as well as a streaming and participation portal for those who were not there.

          He was dead set on july 4, 800+ delegates and making that list of actions or whatever you call it. I felt it was too fast and not beneficial to do it that way.

          As I did before, I'll keep my eye on it. But I don't think it's going to get far on its own.

          I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

          by mdmslle on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 07:55:31 AM PST

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