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  •  It's the English. As he explains, many questions (11+ / 0-)

    have multiple answers that work, but only one is correct.  They want the BEST answer, not the right answer.  Because they have 4 "right answers" as possibilities.

    If that makes sense.

    I have a feeling most English majors wouldn't do too well on this test.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:57:22 AM PST

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    •  So on the sample Math questions (6+ / 0-)
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      do you see any questions with more than one right answer?

      Here is the sample math test

      Keep in mind, this test is given after students take geometry.

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      by nextstep on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 10:46:29 AM PST

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      •  He was talking about the English test. (0+ / 0-)

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

        by zenbassoon on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 11:28:54 AM PST

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        •  He took both... (8+ / 0-)

          ...guessed on all the math questions, and got a D on the english part.

          Personally, I don't care if someone knows what a rhombus is, but it's weird that he couldn't figure out a rhombus if he had access to the mathematics reference sheet.

          •  exactly. (5+ / 0-)
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            he's a fucking idiot, who is unhappy because the test relies on him actually familiarizing himself with the reference material at the beginning (as in, RTFM) rather than just having the answers to his problems highlighted in bright fluorescent yellow, the way they always are back at the office.

            this whole story makes me sick to my guts, but not for the same reason that has everybody around here all up in arms.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:30:19 PM PST

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            •  It's an intelligence test, not a math test (1+ / 0-)
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              The relevant formulas are given at the beginning, and you are allowed to use a calculator.  This is not a math knowledge test, it's an intelligence test (that he failed).

              •  no, it's a math test. (1+ / 0-)
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                I went through it.  These are all math concepts generally learned in grades 7-9.

                •  General Skills (1+ / 0-)
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                  My point is that it's more of a general skills test than a test of specific or advanced math knowledge.  Anybody who is intelligent and had normal level math through middle school could pass this test.  It is no way dependent on any unusual or advanced knowledge of math.  The formulas are given at the beginning, some of the problems are far heavier with text than numbers, and you don't even have to be able to add or subtract, just know when to.  

                  An advanced tenth grader would be so far beyond this test it would be irrelevant; an intelligent eighth grader could pass it just fine.  A tenth grader two years behind in math would still have studied almost all of the material at least once (but would probably be so behind for a reason).  Somebody who is intelligent but hasn't studied any math since tenth grade thirty years ago could pass it just fine.  Because of it's low general math knowledge requirement, this test will function better to differentiate tenth graders by intelligence than to differentiate them by math knowledge.

              •  but yes, you're right--the guy doesn't seem to be (0+ / 0-)

                all there...

      •  Speaking for myself, (3+ / 0-)
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        those questions are a piece o' cake.  Yeah, a high school graduate should be able to answer most of them.  Then again, I'm strongly left-brained.

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        by rb608 on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 07:43:01 PM PST

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    •  Took the English--no ambiguity in the answers (3+ / 0-)
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      I'd be shocked (and horrified) if most English majors wouldn't do just fine on this test. Did you look at the sample questions? There was one potential right answer--not four. The guy is just wrong. (and FWIW, I was a Comparative Literature major)

      If anything, the test was dumbed down from what 10th graders should be able to do. The sample I saw used a section from a user manual and a pop science article in the reading comprehension. No need to demonstrate an ability to read and interpret fiction.

      I agree with Laura that it is a cause for concern that someone who trains educators did so poorly on the test, but not for the reasons she argues.

      I'm also concerned that a professional educator doesn't understand the difference between reading at grade level and being able to read.

      And I'm triply concerned that any anti-high stakes testing writers are willing to hitch an argument to this one person's poor testing. It discredits the argument when many people are going to look at the sample question and conclude that the problem is with the person, not the test.

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