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  •  Had to check Kohn on Wikipedia..... (0+ / 0-)

    Since I kinda started this conversation, mostly under the assumption that you were a RW ringer, I guess I now have to do my homework and read up on this guy.  Be right back.....

    Kinda hard to come to an assessment of a guy's career based on his Wikipedia page.  Lots of feel-good aphorisms and somewhat meaningless truisms in the quotations section, but that may just be the choice of the editor.  Deming liked him.  He doesn't like competition,  but I never saw anything I considered to be "competition" even though I went through the traditional system he so dislikes.  I don't know what he means by "competition."  He seems to be soft on discipline.  He's a constructivist (like Dewey), but that's an old, old educational philosophy.

    Is this what you object to?

    ...Kohn feels that students should have an active voice in the classroom with the ability to have a meaningful impact on the curriculum, structure of the room, and any necessary discipline measures, among other things.

    That's bullshit to me, but rather mild, meaningless bullshit that's self-correcting if anyone ever tries it.  The kind of feel-good crap guest speakers spew out at faculty meetings, which is meant to be ignored.

    Did I miss the mark?  Did I hit it?  Please enlighten me.  Oh, and a happy god warts to you, too.

    "To know what is right and to do it are two different things." - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin "It was like that when I got here." - Homer Simpson

    by rbird on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 08:38:06 PM PST

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    •  In his more extreme moments, Kohn decries (0+ / 0-)

      pretty much any effort by adults to constrain, control, or direct children's development. He specifically denounces praise, because he thinks it's immoral to exploit children's innate desire to please their parents (or other adults). Thus, 'soft on discipline' is accurate, but rather dramatically understated. I don't know this for sure, but I strongly suspect Kohn has no children of his own.

      I don't, on the other hand, object fundamentally to students having input regarding the structure of their educational environments. But in the end, they are children, and if they had the necessary combination of experience, cognitive capacity, and emotional maturity to operate without constraint ... well, why would they be in school at all?

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 07:24:35 PM PST

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      •  Well said. (0+ / 0-)

        Thanks for the enlightenment.  Kids are kids, not tiny versions of adults.  We get into trouble when we forget that.  Oh, and this lack of praise in Kohn's ideology, screw that.   The more you tell me about this guy, the less I like him.

        "To know what is right and to do it are two different things." - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin "It was like that when I got here." - Homer Simpson

        by rbird on Thu Dec 15, 2011 at 04:15:23 PM PST

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