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  •  Dialogue shifts in TWO MONTHS (1+ / 0-)
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    Nothing has ever produced such a dramatic shift in such a short time. Nothing. Not the civil rights movement, not the free speech movement, not the anti-Vietnam war movement, nothing.

    What popular uprisings larger than this have been crushed? Name one.

    Your ideas have not worked. Do you know how I know? Because we are where we are. If your ideas, whatever they are, had worked, we would not be here.

    OWS is the best thing we have going right now. It is new, fresh and original. It is the best chance we have at winning back our country. In fact, I don't see any other options but OWS. Nothing else has had the slightest impact, because everything else was planned for.

    Your doubt and skepticism do not make you seem pragmatic or logical because as far as I can tell, your doubt and skepticism are based on fantasy, not reality. I haven't heard one logical reason why you would question OWS.

    •  Ever heard of the French Revoution of 1789? (1+ / 0-)
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      How about the one from 1830? Or those all over Europe in 1848? No? Perhaps you're not a fan of 18th-19th century history . . . How about Hungary in 1956? Czechoslovakia in 1968? No? Maybe European history isn't your bag, at all. Let's see . . .
      Chechnya in the 1990s? The Kurds against Saddam Hussein earlier that decade? Tiananmen Square? Do I really have to go on?
      C'mon, SethRightmer. I have no beef with OWS; I was sincere in my original question: what have they done so far? I admit they have forced people to change the content of discussion. But that's it. Is that a lot? I don't know, because I don't know how many people that includes. Any Republicans in office? I highly doubt it, although they may be forced to answer to some more dissenters when they come home for electioneering. I hope so, at any rate.
      They are at the starting blocks, but you seem to think they are winning the race already!
      As far as my ideas go, they have never been tried. Is that my fault? Perhaps; I am only one person, and fairly beaten down because my entire adult life has been lived under the thumb of conservatives and Republicans at the precise time they became ascendant (I turned 18 in 1980.) I am not to blame, nonetheless, so please take your superiority complex and stuff it.

      •  I know those revolutions (0+ / 0-)

        I'm an avid student of history. Please explain what you mean by referencing those revolutions. Were ALL of them 'failures?' In what sense?

        You know who raises questions about things they don't really know? Fox news. Asking "Is Obama a Kenyan?" is the same thing as asking "Is OWS a failure?"

        •  you miss the point of listing those revolutions? (1+ / 0-)
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        •  You asked, (0+ / 0-)

          "What popular uprisings larger than this have been crushed?"
          If you don't know that they all got "crushed", you don't know as much history as you think you do.
          And since I never asked "Is OWS a failure?", your last paragraph is irrelevant to our conversation, in addition to being offensive, if you mean to compare me to FNC or birthers.
          I am pointing out that OWS hasn't achieved anything concrete yet, so let's not break our arms patting ourselves on the back. There's a loooong way to go, and if you agree, you'd better reread your posts, because they don't sound as if you do.

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