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    But then you have to consider that Obama is universally known and not particularly approved of.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 05:54:58 AM PST

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    •  But it won't be Obama against himself (5+ / 0-)

      It will be Obama against, if it's Gingrich, a very seriously flawed candidate.  It won't be Obama against Rasmussen's beloved Generic Republican.

      “If you think I can be bought for five thousand dollars, I'm offended." Rick Perry.

      by Paleo on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 05:57:41 AM PST

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      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm of the opinion that the result is going to be somewhere between Obama's performance against Republican Jesus and his current polling numbers against whoever ends up being the nominee.

        22, Nice Calm Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Childhood), TX-21 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

        by wwmiv on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 05:59:11 AM PST

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        •  That indicates a really tight race (0+ / 0-)

          Ok, so I read the polls.

          by andgarden on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 06:22:27 AM PST

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          •  It Does (1+ / 0-)
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            I've never said that I think Obama will do very well in 2012.

            22, Nice Calm Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Childhood), TX-21 (School), TX-10 (Home); SSP: wmayes

            by wwmiv on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 06:58:18 AM PST

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            •  I Think It's Decisive Either Way..... (0+ / 0-)

              In my opinion the least likely scenario is a 271-267 EC split.  Given that 2012 will be a referendum against the incumbent with a seriously flawed GOP challenger peddling a policy agenda as popular as diarrhea, I think our two most likely scenarios are either a clear majority of voters deciding Obama is better than the alternative or further economic decline precipitating a political environment where Obama can't win against anybody.  Either way, put me on record in predicting the winner will have more than 300 electoral votes.

              I haven't yet bought into the media either-or scenario that Ohio and Virginia will assuredly vote differently, just as Pennsylvania and Colorado will.  I say all four will go the same way.

    •  University On Nebraska Poll: Obama 49% (1+ / 0-)
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      which, considering how Red Ne. is, is good news as all the R. candidates trail him by quite a bit.  

      Bruning in Ne. is getting a lot of bad press asking questions about how a 'public servant' could have amassed a fortune while AG?  Ne. has a man on Death Row and Bruning bought illegal lethal substance to put him to death.  That too is not sitting well with the citizenry.  

      However, Keystone Pipeline aside, the big issue in these fly over states these days concerns the Dept. of Labor restricting children under (I don't know the exact age) working.  Up to 80,000 children from age 12 on up detassel during the summers, and the new proposed law would prevent them for working in the fields.  Once again, all politics is local

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