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  •  Counterproductive (1+ / 0-)
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    Do that, and you'll be buried under a tide of election losses, leading to more fracking, Keystone being opened, ANWR being opened, and more drilling in general.

    Oh, and to add insult to injury: repealing of the gas tax in the first place.

    In effect, you'd be scarificing several long term goals for an extremely short term gain.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 01:45:52 PM PST

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    •  What's so short term about Global Warming? (0+ / 0-)

      How are you going to reduce consumption without pricing it as the truly costly, expensive commodity that it is?

      It's time to stop coddling, If you're worried about losing elections and the consequences of Republican legislation, recruit an army to add to the Occupy Movement. Let's get millions on the Mall to put the bootheel on the plutocracy and their pawns now.

      By not doing this and pursuing presumably safer tactical methods short-term, you are eliminating ANY significant measures to minimize Global Warming.

      •  You're not going to reduce consumption. (0+ / 0-)

        Especially through artificial price hikes (i.e. gas taxes)- that's sort of my point.  Raising the price of gas through massively increasing the gas tax (which is HIGHLY regressive, yet another reason to be against it) will cost you elections, and the people put in power in the elections you lose will open the throttle as wide as it can go on drilling, while at the same time repealing the tax you put in place.

        You're not going to get people to join your cause by making them pay more for their gas, or demanding that they lower their standard of living by using significantly less energy.  All that's going to do is piss them off and close them off to anything else you have to say.

        Now, you'll get some reduction in consumption through energy efficency, and some through common sense conservation.

        But you'll get the most people to join your cause when you can tell them "Here's how to maintain your lifestyle, using just as much energy as before, in ways that don't kill the planet, or your wallet.".

        Science is the ONLY way we're going to solve this problem.  And the more time we waste farting around with meaningless treaties and market manipulation (which WILL backfire, mark my words) the less time we're spending coming up with solutions that actually stand a chance in hell of working: Carbon scrubbing, mitigation, and alternative energy sources.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:05:17 PM PST

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