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  •  It's more than just incarcerration rate (0+ / 0-)

    They still have secret police in Russia. They have a history of Totalitarianism that is miles away from anything we have experienced, and they are swiftly moving back in that direction. Their rigged election, for example, means that Putin (who was NOT legitimately elected) has total control 100 percent of his nation’s regional governors and legislatures, plus all the main television stations and newspapers, his own police force. We still have balance of powers, we still have (mostly) free and fair elections. We need to fight to keep it that way, of course, but to say we are as totalitarian as Russia is not accurate.

    And also, not the point I was trying to make. The point is Russian Protestors have faced extreme violence and brutality during their protest, and that picture doesn't show it.

    R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
    October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

    by SwedishJewfish on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 10:04:48 AM PST

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    •  You don't think (2+ / 0-)
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      we have secret police? good lord! What is congress doing right now in a secret committee that will enable them to lock you up without due process? What is the CIA but the equivalent of the KGB? Homeland Security? Gimmie a break. Free elections bawaaa!  So Bush was legitimately elected rather then selected by our so called supremes. As for balance of power forget about it, we no longer have this along with the rule of law.  

      •  Notice I said "MOSTLY" free and fair (0+ / 0-)

        elections, and yes, they are trying to erode our right to vote along with all of our other civil liberties. I'm quite aware of everything that is currently going on. Russia is still more totalitarian than we are, that doesn't mean I don't think we have the potential to get there or even surpass them.

        Again, this is going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with my original post. I don't need to be lectured about the dangers police of state, my own family member was wrongfully incarcerrated and for all intents and purposes killed by the police state. I get it. Really.

        R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
        October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

        by SwedishJewfish on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 12:55:09 PM PST

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    •  We do have secret police. (0+ / 0-)

      They're called the FBI.  They spy on Americans all the time, harass dissidents and have a terrible civil rights record.  And the Patriot Act gave them all sorts of new powers to spy on and abuse us.

      Regarding elections: thanks to the widespread use of computers to cast and tabulate our votes, the vote totals in our elections can no longer be trusted--computers and their networks are too damn easy to hack.  Elections conducted with hand counted paper ballots can be stolen too, but it takes a lot more people to do it and produces a lot more physical evidence of the fraud, whereas a computerized election can be stolen with very little of an evidence trail to follow.

      Finally, please note that running for national office in the U.S. is prohibitively expensive--you have to either be rich or be supported by those with money to have any chance of being competitive.  This is not a definition of "free elections" in my book--only the rich and those they support get to play.

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