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  •  ... who was in turn also trailing LePage. (0+ / 0-)

    I just read both of your links and I remain unconvinced, not least because they don't say quite what you seem to think they do. The first is a critique of the Portland Press Herald citing a poll of registered voters (rather than likely voters) and while that's a complaint I fully agree with, I'm not quite sure what it has to do with this.

    The second link does indeed show the Portland Press Herald fawning over "nonpartisan" independents (and liking both of the indies equally, which pretty much sums up how people like that don't really care about the issues and just want a non-democrat and non-republican, regardless of whether that would be good or bad), but, again, I'm failing to see how this is really relevant. Are you saying you believe Portland Press Herald's coverage was single-handedly behind Cutler's rise? I think you're conflating correlation with causation here.

    To claim Cutler was a spoiler implies that Mitchell would have won if not for him. Let's not forget that LePage only got 36% of the vote or so -- obviously Cutler drew from both sides to an extent.

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    by Setsuna Mudo on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 06:32:48 AM PST

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    •  Oh, the articles say exactly what I said they do. (0+ / 0-)
      The first is a critique of the Portland Press Herald citing a poll of registered voters (rather than likely voters) and while that's a complaint I fully agree with, I'm not quite sure what it has to do with this.

      I'd ask you to reread it then. The poll in question was an INTERNAL poll conducted for the Cutler campaign.

      It's abnormal enough that a major newspaper would give front-page billing and editorial space over the course of a full week to such a poll (a poll which, as you note, couldn't be proven accurate, given its methodology). I certainly didn't see them being stenographers for the internal polling conducted by the Mitchell campaign, which showed her pulling within four points of LePage at one point.

      But it's even more suspect, when you consider the incestual relationship between Critical Insights (the polling firm), the MaineToday newspapers, and the Cutler campaign. MaineToday endorsed Cutler, and used CI for their regular, weekly polls. CI was also doing internal polling for Cutler. And one of Cutler's campaign managers, Robert Monks, is an investor in and board member for MaineToday Media.

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      The second link does indeed show the Portland Press Herald fawning over "nonpartisan" independents (and liking both of the indies equally, which pretty much sums up how people like that don't really care about the issues and just want a non-democrat and non-republican, regardless of whether that would be good or bad)

      More to the point, the second link showed the pollster (CI) gushing over nonpartisan independents, without offering up any PROOF that it was due to dissatisfaction with either of the two traditional parties.

      I'd also point out that MaineToday did NOT give equal promotion to the TWO other independents in the race (Shawn Moody and Kevin Scott). Shortly after Mitchell and LePage won their nominations, MaineToday produced a gushing editorial about the role of Independents in the race. The only problem? It's was predominantly a "getting to know Eliot Cutler" piece.

      Are you saying you believe Portland Press Herald's coverage was single-handedly behind Cutler's rise?

      Single-handedly? No. It helped that he trailed Mitchell for much of the race, which kept him off LePage's radar in the debates. Mitchell got attacked from two fronts in the debates, and didn't really give a good showing in defending her record.

      But MaineToday controls a majority of the media in this state. To suggest that their not-at-all unbiased coverage DIDN'T sway the Democratic horse-race to Cutler (especially given the sudden collapse of the Mitchell campaign at the very end that coincided with nothing EXCEPT MaineToday's decision to give headline status to a Cutler campaign internal poll) ignores their power in the state.

      Let's not forget that LePage only got 36% of the vote or so -- obviously Cutler drew from both sides to an extent.

      A minor amount, certainly. Not enough to account for the final numbers.

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      Corporate Dog

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      by Corporate Dog on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 05:57:52 AM PST

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