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  •  China fights for its interests, as should the US (2+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, Amber6541

    You castigate the chief US negotiator "for his single-minded pursuit of US economic interests at the expense of international unity."

    I applaud him for that.

    After all, over the past five years, the Chinese have demanded that US firms wanting to sell wind turbines to that market must domestically source 70%, a clear violation of WTO laws.  When GE and Vestas replied that the local knowhow isn't there, China demanded that GE transfer its technology to Chinese firms.  

    A few years later, these Chinese firms were exporting turbines.  When GE asked why China didn't simply manufacture for domestic consumption, a Chinese pol replied that he preferred that Western taxpayers absorb the subsidy between the kilowatt hour cost of renewable vs carbon-based energy.

    In fact, over 90% of Chinese-made turbines and solar panels are exported.  Don't believe me?  Review my comments, where I have cited my sources in the past.  Or just do a search on the NYTimes.com

    Chinese energy needs?  A coal-fired power plant goes online each week.

    And I applaud Chinese pols for delivering the cheapest form of energy to their people.  This, in large part, explains why the Chinese median wage has increased over 9%+ annually over the past decade, while the US wage has increased 0% over the same timespan.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

    by PatriciaVa on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 10:49:09 PM PST

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    •  neither should (6+ / 0-)
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      elwior, koNko, WarrenS, samanthab, Egalitare, Chi

      Frankly, if governments are willing to sacrifice wide swathes of humanity just so they can get theirs, they really have no right to govern whatsoever.  This quibbling about whose workers have rising wages is going to look pretty silly when none of those workers can find food if our ecosystems fall apart.

      This is kind of like having the US and the UK fail to mobilize against Hitler because they are squabbling over tarriffs on sheet metal screws.

      Intelligent, passionate, perceptive people will always disagree, but we should not let that disagreement, however heartfelt, lead us to become deaf to those better angels of our nature.

      by Mindful Nature on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 12:12:22 AM PST

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    •  Please (1+ / 0-)
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      LaughingPlanet

      See my response to your comment in my diary yesterday, which answers in part the issues you raise and makes you an offer I feel quite reasonable based on a very flat playing field.

      Do the math.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 08:05:18 AM PST

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