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    You just made an even stronger argument against per capita emissions quotas.

    I agree that Chinese manufacturing pollution is largely outsourced pollution, manufacturing done where pollution is cheaper than where the products are consumed - which is one reason they're not manufactured there. China exports about double to the EU what it exports to the US. Indeed, lots of Chinese manufacturing is outsourced from American brands, so the consumption happens outside China, and the profits are also kept outside China.

    But US manufacturing is the world's outsourced manufacturing, too. The US is the largest manufacturer in the world, 18% of global manufacturing; much of that is consumed overseas.

    This picture of the complex global manufacturing supply chain shows even more strongly how the total population of China is only arbitrarily related to its emissions.

    Which is why carbon emissions should be included in the cost of manufacture. Either at some accounting point of "embodied energy", where the total emissions to produce that item are accounted, or simply every place emissions are emitted, whether from energy consumption or by chemistry. The emissions themselves should be taxed. Which would encourage everyone to reduce their own emissions, especially the unnecessary emissions that don't make any profit.

    And as you point out, internalizing the emissions costs into the production would reverse the shell game that has moved manufacturing out of the US and other less polluting (and therefore more expensive) places, into the less developed world where they're storing those externalized costs in their environment (then passing them along) and in their people (ditto, eventually). Countries would compete for manufacturing on the basis of efficiency to reduce costs, not on the basis of ignoring the pollution which creates much more costs for everyone, just after the sale is done.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 12:11:07 PM PST

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