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  •  He's dead. "Be not afraid of what is past." (17+ / 0-)

    A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

    by Troubadour on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 04:28:15 PM PST

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      •  The evil that men do.... (23+ / 0-)

        Here is an interesting follow up in the way of a comment from Greenwald's blog:

        The evil behind Hitler lived well after that man died. I speak not the swastika, or the sad band of misfits that still revere it, but those who intrinsically believe that most of society exists to serve the few -- fodder for the machine. The fuel behind Hitler and the many like him throughout history is still an abundant resource, pumping energy into our current war on the global poor.

        Pg #7

        Captain America
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        •  Feudalists are loathsome turds, no doubt. (2+ / 0-)
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          But it's just lazy to claim that Nazism is part of it.  Business was complicit with the Nazis, just as Catholicism was complicit with Italian fascism, but they were separate phenomena.  The Nazis were nihilistic aesthetes - they killed in order to create living tableaux, eliminating groups of people they considered unappealing while trying to breed "superhumans."  At the highest levels, it wasn't even hate - it was mere dislike that authored genocide.  That's part of what made it so diabolical.  Hitler wanted to paint a picture, and the Jews didn't fit into it.  It wasn't "just business" for these guys - they considered murder an art form.

          A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

          by Troubadour on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 09:45:21 PM PST

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    •  Troubadour (9+ / 0-)

      even though he is dead his kind of hatred lives on.  Just his week in my own condo building I had to call the police.  We have had a person posting pamphlets on our building bulletin board, some of it has been religious, the board and others that live here have taken down the material repeatedly.  We weren't sure who it was until this week.

      This week he started posting twice sometime three times a day pamphlets filled with pure hatred.  I was so shook by the material that called for the killing of Jews, minorities, and there was much much more.  He also leaves gun magazines with the pamphlets.  Well he was careless about blacking out him name and we were able to get his name and condo number off the page.  But, being Jewish this does shake me up, it isn't just about me it is also about others that live in my building.  He has now been warned by the police and the rest is up to the condo board.  But, this kind of hatred and mindset that Hitler believed is still very much out there.  

      "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

      by zaka1 on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 09:34:15 PM PST

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      •  The people who followed him and still follow him (2+ / 0-)
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        aren't the same as him - not even close.  The Nazis were far more pathological than mere bigotry: They had a "morality of violence" that defined malice as a virtue and mass-destruction as the purest expression of life - basically the instruction manual to making Hell on Earth.  Some skinhead jagoff posting hate pamphlets in this day and age is to an actual Nazi what a chicken is to a T. rex.  They're the hunted now.

        A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

        by Troubadour on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 09:56:00 PM PST

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        •  I disagree with (7+ / 0-)

          you because I think anyone who posts and subscribes to this kind of hatred has the potential to become violent.  This is an older man, not just some kid.  And I don't know if he is part of some group like the KKK or some else.  But, those groups do still exist.  My Great Aunt lived in Skokie, IL in the 1970's and the Jews there endured the Neo-Nazis marching through town.  That kind of mindset has not disappeared.

          "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

          by zaka1 on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 10:19:56 PM PST

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          •  Yes, they are dangerous. (2+ / 0-)
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            But they're cargo cultists.  Wannabes.  They're not even the same species of evil as the psychos whose symbols they ape.  They're dangerous in the way that street gangs are dangerous - but they have to scurry back into the walls when the lights are shined on them.  

            The people to be really worried about aren't going to flash swastikas around - even the actual Nazis wouldn't be doing that today, because they'd recognize that the symbol was a liability and pick something else.  We're fighting the real dangerous people right here - the ones with crosses and prurient fixations on the American flag, who own international businesses and donate to the GOP.  The Koches et al.

            A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

            by Troubadour on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 10:31:17 PM PST

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            •  I understand (4+ / 0-)
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              and agree with a lot of what your saying, the mindset is still there, but they are going about it in a different way.  The trouble I have is that the ones with the crosses, fixations on the American flag, and that donate to the GOP are stirring the pot for people that are racist and are cargo cultists.  Just look at how Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter are able to stirred up people.  

              I guess I'm just trying to say that I haven't seen things so stirred up since the Civil Rights Movement and I think a little respect for the people from our politicians and some boundaries could be a benefit.

              Sorry, if I'm not making much sense tonight, I have a bad migraine and am just about ready to turn in for the night.  Take care and have a good night.

              "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

              by zaka1 on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 10:59:37 PM PST

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            •  Zaka1's incident is beyond politics. (2+ / 0-)
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              The specific zaka1 is describing goes beyond politics: People who show clear signs of escalation in violent rhetoric are very likely to escalate to action.

              Radical, racist right-wingers are as prone to violence as any other gang member. The hundreds of violent attacks and mass shootings from avowed racists neo-Nazis shows that they mean business.

              Once again, it is never safe to assume that a person who uses violent rhetoric is incapable of violence. Zaka1, I would strongly recommend devising an effective self defense strategy as soon as possible.

      •  You have every reason to be fearful. (1+ / 0-)
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        It appears that the perpetrator is in a mental downward spiral and is ready to escalate to action.

        If I were you I would acquire a concealed carry as well as post polite message that the perpetrator will not find docile victims in that area.

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