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  •  No paid overtime is even standard practice... (52+ / 0-)

    ... in sectors of the IT industry where billions of dollars AREN'T riding on the line.

    My employer tells me that I don't get any paid overtime until I've got sixty hours on the clock.

    Here's the catch: if I were to say that I had to work sixty hours in a week to get the job done, my project manager (who's not a programmer) would be scrutinizing my effort to the nth-degree, and ultimately come to the foregone conclusion that I was slacking off if I needed sixty hours.

    Now, the place I work at is generally pretty good about looking at sizings for projects, and accepting whatever number I give them. If I tell them Project A will take a month to complete, and we only have a week left in the build cycle, they're NOT going to push me to finish it in that week (or if they do, they'll actually accept the need for overtime).

    But I've also worked for a number of employers (the majority of them, in fact) where the expectation is that I suck it up, give them a sizing of a week, work the overtime, and not get paid a dime for it.

    Time to unionize? Oh, indeed. Now the trick is to find a critical mass of IT folk at your workplace, who don't see themselves as being on a higher rung than their blue-collar brethren, and in no need of union protections because they're just too "smart".

    Regards,
    Corporate Dog

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    by Corporate Dog on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 02:39:14 AM PST

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    •  And I remember many to be politically conservative (9+ / 0-)

      I used to work in IT.  Things may have changed in the last decade, but many my old colleagues were quite conservative, very pro-business, and identified with the 1% (they hoped to get there someday off of stock options).  Hence they were often hostile to unions ("it allows slackers to get the same pay increases as very productive workers like me").

      They also wanted  "the hand of government out of their pockets', so were against government aid (except handouts to their company, of course).

    •  I've been a systems engineer for the last 17 yrs (9+ / 0-)
      But I've also worked for a number of employers (the majority of them, in fact) where the expectation is that I suck it up, give them a sizing of a week, work the overtime, and not get paid a dime for it.

      as a FTE and as a hourly W-2 consultant and this has been the rule, rather than the exception. I suppose it is partly our fault... particularly as consultants... we know it's a pimp game... and we know if they are paying us 40/50/60 bucks an hour that they are probably billing twice that or more... and we accept just being paid straight time for hours worked regardless of how many.

      At least as a consultant you get paid for all the hours you work; as a salaried employee you get squat for hours beyond 40 in a work week...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 06:54:21 AM PST

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      •  But no health care or retirement (5+ / 0-)

        I assume? Kind of a trade off I would think.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 08:10:25 AM PST

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        •  yeah... (0+ / 0-)

          sometimes you have to take that trade off... particularly in a down economy... but things are looking up economically; I generally can gauge the trend based on the number of head hunters I hear from unsolicitied. Over the last 2 months or so I have gone from 2-3 contacts a week to several a day. Here in the DC area, companies are adding more IT staff, salaries are moving back up and it's becoming more of a seller's market. As things loosen up, they will become less inclined to lowball or trade off salary for benefits... the worm is beginning to turn albeit slowly.

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Tue Dec 13, 2011 at 09:13:12 AM PST

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    •  you know the game though (5+ / 0-)

      if they ask you how long it takes, they are clueless.  Hell most people still think software is magic.  SO if someone asks you how long it takes , you always add plenty plenty of cushion.

      If you think it will take 10 days, you say 20.  Coming in early makes you a hero.  If you want to take all 20 days, allows for a easy pace to get it done.

      Bad is never good until worse happens

      by dark daze on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 07:35:02 AM PST

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