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  •  I lost my overtime pay years ago (0+ / 0-)

    I'm salary, not hourly, but officially we only work 40 hours a week.  We used to get overtime pay if we went over that, but they took it away a long time ago.

    I'm on a large project and worked 60 hours a week all through September/October.  Got paid exactly the same as if I'd gone home after 40.

    So I'd love to feel sympathetic on this.  But at this point in the game (I've lost my pension too), I don't know why I should fight for someone else to get better treatment than me.  Lost your pension and overtime?  Join the club.

    •  That is the way to go (5+ / 0-)

      Agricultural workers and restaurant wait staff don't get minimum wage.  So they should oppose wiping out minimum wage laws, right?

      If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. ~Malcolm X

      by ActivistGuy on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 07:11:54 AM PST

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      •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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        Kind of reminds me of something I saw on the news this AM. A local reporter was talking to a guy that drives trucks and was at the Port of Oakland waiting to drop off a load. He was talking about how backbreaking his work can be (I don't doubt him for a minute) and that he still barely gets by and can't afford to lose even a few hours of pay due to the port blockade and so he was adamantly opposed to it.

        The irony of what he said was completely lost on him.

      •  Actually I believe that restaurant (0+ / 0-)

        wait staff do get minimum wage. It's just that it's officially set lower. I remember seeing an official Department of Labor poster displayed at work (I worked food service in the summers while in college) that showed what minimum wage was for tipped employees. It was abyssmal, but official. This was many years ago.

        But to your implied point that applying the standards of the lowest common denominator to the rest of us rather than including those at the bottom into minimum wage is well taken. And minimum wage should be a living wage.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 08:46:39 AM PST

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      •  If it was only minimum wage for some, yes (0+ / 0-)

        Unless you really don't believe in equal treatment for all.

        For your example, no, ag workers and wait staff should demand the same minimum wage that everyone else gets.

        But if you tell a group of workers that they don't deserve minimum wage, do you think they'll support giving min wage to others?  Why should they?  That's GOP bullshit, forcing the poor to support the rich.

        My case explains why public unions finally fell.  No Dem politican, no big special interest group ever came to defend me and others like me when we lost our overtime and pension.  No one said a damn thing.  No one also said a thing when outsourcing and H1B visas decimated the engineering field.

        Now do I think IT workers deserve overtime?  Yes.  I also think I deserve overtime.  But if I can't get it back for myself, how can I defend it for anyone else?

        When workers get divided and it gets broken up as private workers get shit on, but public workers get great pay and benefits, then the system collapses.  When workers aren't treated and protected equally, the system collapses.  And I stopped expecting politicians to care about me a long long time ago.

    •  This is why they are successful (4+ / 0-)

      everyone is more worried about someone getting more rather than fighting for what is right.

      I don't get any overtime either, but I think that non-managerial employees should

      #Occupy Wallstreet - Politicians will not support the movement until it is too big to fail.

      by Sychotic1 on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 07:42:54 AM PST

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      •  I also think they SHOULD get overtime (0+ / 0-)

        But SHOULD isn't reality.  Reality is that in the land of global free trade, any worker who demands overtime finds his job shipped to India or China.

        So until this site is prepared to start demanding tariffs and the end of "free" trade pacts that only encourage outsourcing, it's going to be SHOULD for a long, long time.

        No one on this site wants to discuss tariffs.  OWS isn't demanding them.  And I still don't know why.

        •  Probably because it's pretty low on the (1+ / 0-)
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          list of priorities in reality.

          What would help is definitely compensation reform and heavy taxation. Something like taxing a corporation the difference between all their outsource labor costs and the average salary per outsourced individual for the same job here might be a good start (obviously more technical and other assorted details notwithstanding, especially to take into account contracting with overseas firms rather than having an overseas operation run directly by the company).

          But then people here might complain about the subsequent rise in prices. This country has no idea how expensive our lifestyle really is. It's all subsidized by sweatshops (or worse).

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