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  •  That is the way to go (5+ / 0-)

    Agricultural workers and restaurant wait staff don't get minimum wage.  So they should oppose wiping out minimum wage laws, right?

    If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. ~Malcolm X

    by ActivistGuy on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 07:11:54 AM PST

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    •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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      Kind of reminds me of something I saw on the news this AM. A local reporter was talking to a guy that drives trucks and was at the Port of Oakland waiting to drop off a load. He was talking about how backbreaking his work can be (I don't doubt him for a minute) and that he still barely gets by and can't afford to lose even a few hours of pay due to the port blockade and so he was adamantly opposed to it.

      The irony of what he said was completely lost on him.

    •  Actually I believe that restaurant (0+ / 0-)

      wait staff do get minimum wage. It's just that it's officially set lower. I remember seeing an official Department of Labor poster displayed at work (I worked food service in the summers while in college) that showed what minimum wage was for tipped employees. It was abyssmal, but official. This was many years ago.

      But to your implied point that applying the standards of the lowest common denominator to the rest of us rather than including those at the bottom into minimum wage is well taken. And minimum wage should be a living wage.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 08:46:39 AM PST

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    •  If it was only minimum wage for some, yes (0+ / 0-)

      Unless you really don't believe in equal treatment for all.

      For your example, no, ag workers and wait staff should demand the same minimum wage that everyone else gets.

      But if you tell a group of workers that they don't deserve minimum wage, do you think they'll support giving min wage to others?  Why should they?  That's GOP bullshit, forcing the poor to support the rich.

      My case explains why public unions finally fell.  No Dem politican, no big special interest group ever came to defend me and others like me when we lost our overtime and pension.  No one said a damn thing.  No one also said a thing when outsourcing and H1B visas decimated the engineering field.

      Now do I think IT workers deserve overtime?  Yes.  I also think I deserve overtime.  But if I can't get it back for myself, how can I defend it for anyone else?

      When workers get divided and it gets broken up as private workers get shit on, but public workers get great pay and benefits, then the system collapses.  When workers aren't treated and protected equally, the system collapses.  And I stopped expecting politicians to care about me a long long time ago.

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