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  •  You're wrong (7+ / 0-)

    The Broncos were 1-4 before making Tebow the starting quarterback; they are now 7-1 with him. Giving him credit for that has nothing to do with "rugged individualism"; one of the qualities that has been most ascribed to him is leadership: the ability to inspire his team to excel. Listen to any interview with the guy; he constantly refers to the team effort and other players who came through in the clutch.

    That said, however, the QB position in football is almost unique in sports in outsized importance to the game. It's exceedingly rare for a team to win a Superbowl without a "great" quarterback. Once a decade or so, a team wins with defense or with a running back, but nine times out of ten, there's a Hall of Fame QB hoisting the Lombardi trophy at the end of the year.

    And during this run by the Broncos, many of the wins have been characterized by personal heroics by Tebow. A 20-yard TD run in the last seconds. Fourth quarter comebacks. Two-minute drill scoring drives. He gets credit for all of that the same way Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Payton Manning, etc. have always gotten credit for doing those things.

    So stop hating and just enjoy the show! It's another in a long line of epic NFL stories, and I can't wait to see where it all goes.

    •  No you're wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      Who's giving credit to Matt Prater for an IMPOSSIBLE 59 yd field goal?

      So what it's about spectator reaction not


      Listen to any interview with the guy; he constantly refers to the team effort and other players who came through in the clutch.

      and insistence on giving Tebow the credit instead of the team. No one is talking up the defense which is keeping them in the game or even the stupid mistakes made by Barber which made the win possiblek.

      It's a horrible unwatchable comedy of errors show sickening to anyone who enjoys good football

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 09:10:14 AM PST

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      •  They had the same defense and kicker when he (2+ / 0-)
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        esquimaux, ColoTim

        was on the bench and they were 1-4. And it's not like this is the first time in history that the focus of attention on a football team was on its quarterback. Where have you been, under a rock?

        •  You're inexplicably defending him because (1+ / 0-)
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          he's giving credit to his team

          If you take the time to read the diary, you'll see th point is about THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION on Tebow, and the PUBLIC'S ATTENTION on individualism. It's about PEOPLE not TEBOW.

          You for some reason are insisting he's giving credit to his team. WHO CARES???????? No one's talking about that.

          "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

          by eXtina on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 09:44:46 AM PST

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          •  I'm saying it's both (1+ / 0-)
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            He deserves much of the credit because all other things about the Broncos were the same when they were 1-4. The QB is a very important position in football. I don't think there's any other position as relatively important in any other sport that I can think of. Maybe pitchers in baseball, but pitchers are one out of nine players on the starting team (ten in AL). The QB is one out of 22 (more if you consider special teams).

            And many of the heroics have happened to the Broncos with the ball in Tebow's hands. He's rightfully the center of attention. It's safe to say that the Broncos would probably out of playoff contention right now if Tebow hadn't come in.

        •  yes, the focus is on the quarterback (0+ / 0-)

          and has been
          and that's the point of the diary
          which you're somehow trying to say the diarist is wrong, while repeating the diarist's own point

          "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

          by eXtina on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 09:50:12 AM PST

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      •  Frankly (1+ / 0-)
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        Tebow is.  The media mentions him.  You are giving him great importance.  He's only had three field goals over 50 yards this year, it's just that his longest and perhaps most dramatic happened yesterday.  So what, his statistics don't put him anywhere in the top ten of anything except longest.  He's missed a bunch from 40-49yards.  The reality is that he just another guy on this team working his hardest and perhaps playing at his best because this guy Tebow inspires him.  There's nothing wrong with that.  We all hated Brett Farve too, but he was a leader too, and that's what made him great and it may make Tebow great too.  See, that's the problem with you statistics guys, there's concrete to rate leadership on, but it's one of the most important characteristics of a great quarterback.  So, you can throw all your statistics out.  He's one of the great leaders in pro football.  He's also got a pretty good team of other leaders, especially on defense.  So, IMHO, it only matters who the team is giving credit to, and they are giving it to Tebow, who never takes it but always lavashies it on his team mates.  Makes you kinda nostalgic, doesn't it.

    •  i dunno (2+ / 0-)
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      Tebow didn't make Barber run out of bounds to stop the clock in the 4th quarter when staying in bounds would have ended the game. He didn't strip the ball from Barber in OT with the Bears in field goal range. He didn't kick two 50+ yard field goals to tie and win the game. He didn't tell the Bears to stray from what had completely shut him down the entire game and play a prevent defense at the end of the 4th quarter.
      As much as the press gives Tebow credit, in his post game presser, he gives all his teammates the credit, which he should, as they had as much, if not more to do with them winning the game yesterday as he did.

      •  as we used to say in MI (2+ / 0-)
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        during the Wayne Fontes era in Detroit.... the "Prevent Winning" defense.  Very little pisses me off more than that tactic. Why not do the things that got you to that point in the game?  

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 09:33:22 AM PST

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      •  Yeah, of course (0+ / 0-)

        But the whole "Tebow mystique" incorporates all of that. The whole issue is that they guy appears to lack the raw talent to play in the NFL, yet somehow he finds a way to win. All of this other stuff is just a part of that.

    •  The schedule might (1+ / 0-)
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      have something to do with this. Before, it was a blowout by the Packers, a loss to an inevitable looking Chargers, a decent if unspectacular Titans and a mediocre Raiders. Afterwards, it was a mistake-prone Miami, a mired-in-a-6-game-losing-streak Chargers, an awful Vikings, a cratering injury-riddled Bears, a just-fired-their-coach Chefs, and those same mediocre Raiders. And oh yeah, a blowout loss at home to Detroit.

      Somehow I don't see Tebow doing the same to the Pats secondary that everyone else has done.

      Oh yeah, the #15 Jesus jerseys are just plan offensive, as is the signs people carry in the stands of Tebow with a friggin' halo. No one ever saw that crap when Kurt Warner was playing.

      •  Fair point (0+ / 0-)

        He still has a long ways to go, but considering that the starting point was, "He can't play in the NFL", he's already outperforming expectations by a pretty good measure. He's very new also. If I'm not mistaken, NFL quarterbacks don't typically start hitting their peak until at least a few years into their careers. There's a lot to learn for that position in particular.

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